Ukigumo???

This is from seed that came from Japan and is supposed to be Ukigumo. This is cobalt blue with white center. It doesn`t look like what was on the ad. I saw another Ukigumo that was light blue. Is the Wal Mart potting soil mutating my plants? I love this but I have yet to see a flower bloom that looks like what was on the package. :)

More like Akatsuki No Umi, huh?

Yet another example of the suppossed intrinsic authenticity of seeds 'Directly from Japan'...interesting surprises will always happen...

The photo does look to be a bit on the purple side and there are a 'slew' of JMG's that can look very similar to that one...possibilities include "Akatsuki no Sora" and "Yoi no Tsuki"> Night Moon...additionally,"Fuji musume" will sometimes throw especially dark ones...many types that are usually patterned or streaked will sometimes just throw solids or almost solids...

The types marketed as "Ukigumo" and "Akatsuki no Tsuyu" are most likely the different Japanese marketing names for the American product called "Blue Silk"...and remember if it's from a different company,you're likely to see some different color(s)...the realities of life with JMG's...

Here are links to a very valuable side-by-side comparison showing the frontal and rear views of 3 similarly colored Japanese Morning Glories revealing the characteristics of the corolla,leaf shapes and different characteristics of the sepals...

They are from the left: Hatsu Arashi,Akatsuki No Umi,and 'Berlin Blue'...frontal view showing corolla characteristics and accompanying leaf shapes
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=1681054
rear view of the same flowers as above (in reverse order from the frontal view) showing differences in the characteristics of the sepals... are from the left 'Berlin Blue',"Akatsuki no Umi" and "Hatsu Arashi"
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=1731386

gardener2005 - What type of leaf shape and sepals does the flower you are asking about have as compared to the ones in the above comparison(?)

TTY,...

Ron

This message was edited Jun 15, 2006 2:25 AM

Ron -
I am growing all three of these JMG's side-by-side this year
Hatsu Arashi,Akatsuki No Umi,and 'Berlin Blue'

Thought that would be interesting.

Emma

I`m going to call this one dark purple like so many african violets I have seen. It looks Blue at 7 AM and then wait an hour or so and it`s gettin` purple on me. It is officially dark purple.

Now for more details so I can manage a ID. I`ll make this pot a special little tag and put it in the plant files.

This message was edited Jun 15, 2006 10:23 AM

By mid morning this is purple and it also has some blue stripes that don`t show in the picture. it looks like paint drying and it is pretty.

I tried to get a picture of the side of the flower for the sepals.

Now for the leaves. These leaves seem intermediate between the yellow very light yellow green of another variety I`m waiting on and the dark green and they are variegated and the vines have a purple color to them.

I need to read more and figure out what kind this is now that I have the pictures done. What do you think?

I can`t resist one more picture. The little white speckling is pollen sprinkled on the petals. This is like royal blue in the morning and turns purple.

I went outside and got a flower and some leaves and on both links it checks out looking like Berlin Blue. The sepals I have in my hand match the picture of Berlin Blue.

This message was edited Jun 15, 2006 10:43 AM

Here is the close up of my flower to compare and see what kind it is.

Now that I`m looking at a photograph and comparing pictures maybe it looks more like Akatsuki No Umi?

It looks a lot like this picture in plant files.

http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/66594/

Could this be it?


This message was edited Jun 15, 2006 11:12 AM

This message was edited Jun 15, 2006 11:13 AM

I think this is MY mistake here. The Other pot(next in line 15 feet away) bloomed and I found the other half of the seed pack and That one is Ukigumo because it matches the picture on the package.

This one opon further investigation is Hama No Sora.

Does Hama No Sora ring a bell? I think it should go there in plant files since it doesn`t have a picture. Think so?

The joke is on me. It is the classic tag switched mislabeled pots! Oooops... :)

This is the seed ad for Hama No sora(means sky over the beach)from which I purchased my seeds.

I don`t think my flower is that blue. It has more purplish violet color.

This message was edited Jun 15, 2006 4:02 PM

And this is probably It. Heian No Umi (the ocean of heian era) It has the variegated leaves too.

I looked up the advertisementwhere I purchased seeds and this I believe is this one.

It looks like this is where my flower picture will go in plant files once it is confirmed.

I`m glad I kept all the information as far as purchases.

This message was edited Jun 15, 2006 4:06 PM

And finally. This is the Ukigumo. My flower looks like this picture too. I`ll put in a picture of that before long too.

INCREDIBLE Blooms....

So, are you saying your JMG is Hama No Sora?

Here is photo of Hama No Sora from Japan website

Emma

I believe it is Heian No Umi (the ocean of heian era)

Tomorrow I`ll post one of these the way it looks later in the morning when it turns purple. You can see the color in some of the pictures I already posted.

I have the other blue one Hama No Sora planted and growing but no blooms yet.

There are some buds on the Ukigumo that look like they will bloom in the morning so I`ll see if I can get a decent picture of that as well.

Hello Everyone,

Regarding the flowers recently posted and in question by gardener2005...

Looks like this one to me...
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2393147
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/113994/

The leaf shapes most closely match the ANU
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/66594/

and so do the sepals
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2393021
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=1731386

So this one looks like it is accurately placed
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/113994/


The bloom here looks like the Takii "Heian Umi"
http://davesgarden.com/forums/fp.php?pid=2393795

I think it is a 'natural inclination' for people to want to put their own new names on flowers,but,when suppossed new types turn out to be
an older type with just 'another new made up marketing name'...this tends to backfire in the long run,as it engenders distrust in the purveyors ability
to be accurate in the flowers they are portraying...I think judicious caution is advised before leaping on the bandwagon of 'new' names and types...

...JMHO...

Glad to see the enlivening enthusiasm...in any event> "On With The Show"(!)......

TTY,...

Ron

OK, 'Akatsuki no Umi' it is. I`ll fix the tag today. I`m very pleased to have the ID correct on this one. Now I can take notes on how well it does this year and be able to save the seeds in correctly labeled containers.

Thanks so much!

It was a classic tag switch. The Hama No Sora was stuck on the Ukigumo and vice versa...but wait it isn`t Hama No Sora but it is actually Akatsuki No Umi.

I have no records of buying Akatsuki No Umi which makes me glad I came here or I would never have known the truth.

This is a picture of "Ukigumo" and it does look like the picture on the package. Sorry about this poor picture I quickly snapped in a hurry and this morning it was raining. I`ll get a better one later.

This message was edited Jun 16, 2006 9:41 AM

This message was edited Jun 16, 2006 9:43 AM

This is funny because my first hunch was right. Then I got off on tangents and my saved seed packets got me thinking in the wrong direction.

You live and learn.

Nothing wrong with the photo. I like that mg too. Very pretty.

Jackie

Okay as a refresher reference

Sakata has two basic series:

1) the Akatsuki series....aka as the Dawn series...

2) the Hama series...known as the Beach series

Sakata almost always uses 'no' in the flower description,whereas Takii more often does not place the 'no' in their names of their products...the Heian series is a Takii product,although smaller distributors will often intermingle product descriptions from various larger companies,which can obfuscate the task of accurately identifying the types and cultivars... inadvertant and (unfortunately!) sometimes intentional mislabeling can obviously add to the dilema of the 'correct' cultivar ID...
natural variations in color may result from a variety of different causes,that despite our best efforts to do so,drawing definitively precise(!) boundary lines between types may not always be possible...we can only do the best that we can...

I think we have all made alot(!) of progress in deciphering the various MG's and we will continue to do so for the enjoyment of all...

I stilll think there is a possibility(!) that the flower gardener2005 posted may be an Akatsuki no Sora,and as we all post our pictures that result from the many different packets that we have all acquired...we can all continue to try to most accurately describe,define,compare,post and assist in the wealth and accuracy of the PlantFiles for reference...

TTY,...

Ron

This message was edited Aug 17, 2006 5:41 AM

Allright so the color difference makes it an

Akatsuki No Sora

I have all my packages and all the pots sprouted and all are growing so when everything blooms this month then it will be easier to sort things out. It will be fun to see what the flowers look like "in person" compared to the packages.

I`m looking forward to seeing everyone elses results and appreciate the beauty of these morning glories.

All of my seed packets do not have pictures on them and the name was written in permanent marker. I did save the ad picture images for reference.

Structurally, my flower does look just like the Akatsuki no Umi but the color is more royal blue. It has a purplish color that forms streaking and gradually becomes a dark purple ... and this is entertaining to watch if there is time to just stroll around in the garden. You see it first early and say "Wow,what a pretty blue flower." then about 45 minutes later you look again and say,"Wait a minute this one is really a dark purple." The soft sheen it has is very pretty as well.

I have to say this one has my attention and now I`m going to see how it does the rest of the year. If it performs well I`ll plant this again for sure!

gardener2005 - You mentioned

"Allright so the color difference makes it an Akatsuki No Sora "

Not necessariliy...please review my posting above and the descriptive link I posted ala a close 'guestimate'

So this one looks like it is accurately placed
http://davesgarden.com/pf/showimage/113994/

As more people grow out the "Akatsuki no Sora" for comparison,a revision may be in order...

TTY,...

Ron

I understand now. :)

Akatsuki No Umi


This message was edited Jun 17, 2006 8:47 PM

Ron -
As always, Thanks so much for this very descriptive information.

Emma

Thank you Ron,Emma and others too for your comments and pictures as well. I like it here and find this a breath of fresh air and cool drink of water.

This is great and thanks to all of you for making me feel at home.

I was going to get a better picture of the Ukigumo this morning but none. It looks like the first flush is over and now the plant is growing more vines and getting more buds all over so I`ll give time for this vine to develop. The foilage is always pretty so that is a plus in favor of this one being a keeper.