ipomoea coccinea?

Hi!

I found what I am pretty sure is ipomoea coccinea while out walking, so, I just had to grab some seedpods. Can someone second the I. coccinea ID?

Also, how do you tell between Ipomoea coccinea and I. coccinea 'orange noah' or is there no difference.

The flowers on this plant were about 1.5-2 cm across, bright red with a thin cream halo and orange throat that spread into the halo a bit. I'll try to get a flower picture.

Seed pic.

edit *headdesk* I spelled "seedpods" wrong :( yipes...

edit2. that's a d, not an o. :)



This message was edited Oct 5, 2005 5:48 PM

googled them and found this.
http://www.exot-nutz-zier.de/impressionen_convolvulaceae_i1.htm
this shows Orange Noah
http://178.scifstore.com/module/store/si/8884/
Janett

Thanks Janett!

I think mine might be somewhere in between I. coccinea and I.c 'orange noah' The noah picture lacks the thin cream/white halo that is in this picture http://www.exot-nutz-zier.de/images/prod_images/IpomoeacoccineaGP.jpg and on the plant I saw. But the plant I saw had the flared orange eye

Unusual...

-Zem

zemerson - The species Ipomoea coccinea cannot be differentiated from the 'Orange Noah' by the look of the seed...I had made some comments regarding the differences between regular Ipomoea coccinea and the 'Orange Noah' in this thread here(scroll down):
http://davesgarden.com/forums/t/545255/
and in the entry(scroll to the bottom)
http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/112320/index.html
and photograph that I have here
http://davesgarden.com/pics/RON_CONVOLVULACEAE_1127627712_966.jpg

remove the %20 from the url to see the photo 1127627712_966.jpg

Although the flowers on some Ipomoea coccinea may look very close,the 'Orange Noah' is distinguished by the pedicels that always fully relex,in contradistinction to Ipomoea coccinea which has seedpods that either fully reflex or reflex at usually not less than a 90 degree angle...the pedicels of the as of yet not fully identified 'Orange Noah' ALWAYS fully reflex 180 degrees as shown in the accompanying photograph...Orange Noah is most likely Ipomoea coccinea,as Ipomoea hederifolia has seedpods that remain fully erect or seem to partially reflex at not more than a 90degree angle downwards...





This message was edited Feb 7, 2006 2:22 AM

P.S. - Just another example of the need to be able to tell the difference between the different species,before you can tell the difference between different cultivars...knowing how to walk is necessary before trying to run...I have seen Ipomoea purpurea in the database as Ipomoea nil,and Ipomoea nil as Ipomoea purpurea and so on...but the same people who are clueless as to the different species,want to promulgate how to distinguish the correct cultivars...sort of like trying to do differential equations before you know basic arithmetic...knowing how to distinguish the different species is an essential foundation to any additional 'structures',but I've no doubt(!) that others will believe differently,and continue to proceed accordingly...

Thanks so much for the links Janet. I don't know to much about the "Orange Noah" since I seldom grow it. But it is pretty and I would like to know more about it and maybe use it in some crosses next year. I have grown it in the past but because it was so small I didnt mess with it this year. I wonder how it would do in hanging baskets.....
Just so much to learn and so little time................LOL
Best to you Janet...
Dee