wow let the bidding begin lol
First Seedlings of AxelRose...Green!!
Lagata, how will the plant be listed?? I would like to provide my daughter with the info. TIA!!!
Darn. The happy response makes it harder to say that for personal reasons I just can't bear to do this yet. Sorry for the false "alarm". I would have edited earlier, and saved ANY disappointment, but had to run to school for a test. While driving I had to rethink it.
I'm sorry for now, but it will happen. Just not as soon as stated above.
I had checked e-bay and couldn't find it !! ;-(
Just do what makes you comfortable....we can wait! Please though, let us be the first to know when you do post it on e-bay!!
Thanks,
Margie
Will do! Meanwhile I'll go check seedpods on mama plant again!!
'nother update; Seeds planted from an immature AxelRose x Rothkirch pod has sprouted a seedling too; and Green is clearly showing in the tiny leaves! So the first pod was not the only exception to the albino rule.
Someone in another group asked if the fact that the seeds were still immature small and white, could that be why they are green, since normally such pods would probably be tossed; Good Question!! The answer will come when the other pods on Axle ripen, and are planted.
Meanwhile, has anyone got an immature variegate pod? it may be a worthy experiment, to collect and plant the seeds early, and see what happens. Nothing to lose really...
Interesting !
Why would you suspect that an immature seed would have a different dna string ?
This is set at conception ,ino ?
As I said ..... Interesting !
Since one form of variegation is cause by some of the chloroplasts not developing correctly, it's _vaguely_possible that an immature seedling has not formed fully enough to let the albino cells out number the green. This is purely amateur speculation, that seems worth exploring, if someone has a pod still hanging onto a variegated plant somewhere. Nothing to lose, since the seedlings usually die anyway :(
I've learned It's actually possible to gain variegation by applying acids, herbicides, or even hot needles to the meristem; this indicates to me that genetic expression might be rather simple to disrupt.
Axel Rose is quite unique and beautiful.
The science behind this is really fascinating.
Good luck with your developments!
Jackie
Thank you Jackie. It is very nice, and seems very willing to grow/bloom/set pods. I think we will be playing with this one quite a bit, if only I can get enough to pass around!!! (oh! I was in the GH late last night squeezing seedpods, a questionable practice I've developed lately, and one pod, Ax X Ep is now softening! )
Yes the science is fascinating, but frustratingly hard to find. I had the good fortune to speak to a man who has made this his field of specialty, and while he told me much, he admitted that to find written information in one place is extremely difficult, because few experts exist in the field. I encouraged him to please write a book, but he is busy ;) He could suggest only two possible sources, one being a book written in the ''40's which is long out of print, and a few articles written by another whose spelling was in doubt. I have found neither at this point.
A friend in the far north that has long months of winter and many greenhouses to play in is trying the acid and herbicide techniques all this winter. I wait to hear his reports with much anticipation!!
I am not a good scientist, because I love my subjects, and cannot bear to hurt them or deny them good things. And some of the chemicals involved are extremely dangerous!
Still, it is very good to know that these avenues are being explored by fellow Brugmansia enthusiasts..
I love "Axel Rose with its soft pink blooms and "Bonnie Jean" with its gorgeous deep rich pink color! What an loving tribute to your sister!
Oh shirley1md, thank you, and I'm glad you mentioned this about Axel! s/he's Not pink! If pictures or monitor show this, it is misleading! Lovely indeed, but like Peaches or Dreamsickle, it changes from nearly yellow, to cream, to added patches of orange, and then to a peach/orange color. But with work, it's children may be pink!
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None of the seedlings are varigated thus far, but none are yellow/albino either. A couple more crosses have been planted, and I'm waiting.....;)
Hi everyone
I'm a new subscriber here at Dave's, and I'm so excited to be here. When I saw this post, I just had to reply.
lagata2, I am very familiar with B. 'Axelrose'. Not only do I have one, but I am a friend of it's namesake. She was the one who gave me mine. Not only is she a wonderful person, but she is so very self-less. I can see why someone would want to name a plant after her.
I'm so interested in your experiments. Please keep us updated.
Check out this pic of my 'Axelrose'. It's hysterical. Could it be the smallest Brug to bloom ever?
~mamabirrd
Hi mama bird! Glad to meet you! Doesn't it grow wonderfully? I've had several very small ones bloom as well, and they are soooo cute! I've so much hope for this one as a breeder, it's hard not to pollinate even the little ones!! (but I've resisted so far!)
Yes, she is a very sweet person, and I was thrilled that she let me introduce this beauty to the world. It would have been such a terrible shame for it to have been lost, or confused with several different names! It will get around quickly in time, but for now, you are very lucky to already have one; best of luck to you. Great for future trading too! ;)
Ran out a took a photo of the leaves on mine.
Here is another.
mamabirrd....welcome to DG !!
I love your axel rose leaves....delisa !! Beautiful if for only its leaves!!!
Beautiful leaves Delisa
Lagata, I just have to have this one. You say she is so fertile that you just touch her with pollen and she grows a pod, and that sounds just like me when I was young. I should have been named AxelRose. LOL
Lol!! Sylvia you crack me up!!!!!!
It is very lovely, even for non-breeders. But the possibilities for new variegates is what really excites me!
Delisa do I see a bloom forming? Are you going to pollinate this time?
My seed pods are still not ripe, and are still preventing me from taking new cuttings!! Arrrgh!!!
And so, the bad news......
I keep getting requests (and even $$ offers!!) from potential buyers/breeders about when it will be for sale :(
I realize I've asked those I've given them to, to pass them on free to other breeders, but I'll say here that if you have an extra, please feel free to put it up for auction at this time?
Money is not the issue (however it will clearly go pretty high), I just do not have enough to fulfill obligations right now, much less any extra to sell.
We who love these plants should do all we can to breed or help others to breed the one we really want!!!
(for me that equals a breedable double variegated pink that grows in sun or shade!!!)
It WILL be available, but it's going to take some time. I guess we need to look further into tissue culture?
And a warning...
I don't mean to sound nasty about "professional" sellers/dealers, but you know, or should know, how it can be sometimes, with something extra desireable.........So Note the leaf patterns all; they start out and stay this way; two tone only, no white. You should have NO problem telling weather or not it is the 'real thing' if you see it on e-bay.
lagata, I have been growing a brug with similar leaves for several years. Although the flower is not as lovely as yours, the leaves are the same. I contacted tera nova and they indicated they did not believe there would be enough interest in that type of leaf variegation.- I will not comment on that.The more light the more variegation. I have some seedlings crossed with Esmeralda that I am interested in watching this summer. My variegated plant was given to me by Johnnie Tschosik year ago.
Your flower is beautiful. Good luck.
Thank you for the compliment Barbara.
We are breeders, while the market places are looking for the most showy of plants, vs a plant that will produce future seedlings. So we Would see things differently.
The white leaves on some are lovely, but produce only albino seedlings that soon die :(
They want only to market the fastest selling plants, which is ok; It is what they DO (as in we all must make a living ) but thankfully, there are many here that want to Create as well!
I'm glad you didn't let their myopic evaluation stop you from breeding this plant!!
And thank you for 'the luck', which is 'determination', and the same to you! lol!!
BTW, while the flower you show actually looks much the same, at least as the stage I see, the variegation pattern is certainly different,yet similar in it's lack of albino characteristics. VERY interesting.
Ohhhhhhh how pretty!!!! Everytime I look at those leaves and the type varigation it beholds (is that a word? lol) I like it even more so than the other varigated ones....I like them ALLL!
Some posts are missing here, but It hasn't hurt the integrity of the thread itself, and basic information sharing seems to be intact. If not, (my memory is not the greatest) email and I'll gladly repost anything pertinent that may have been lost, ( as long as it isn't something that would violate rules.)
Meanwhile, I've seen yet another variegation variation in a Brug that might also hold promise as a breeder; but it is a young sport yet, and I don't know if it's owner is ready to share information about it here, so I'll only say that we are nearly bound to see some great new man made Brugmansia variegates (vs natural sports, which are prone to instability) in the very near future! !
I'll be taking the cuttings (and some of the seeds) I have to the Florala swap this morning; By fall they should be ready for some of those people to share again!
Another seed pod finished up for me too, but I was too busy tagging and marking plants for the swap to do anymore than thank the mama plant, and set the pod aside!
See ya there?! ;)