First Seedlings of AxelRose...Green!!

I don't know how many here are familiar with AxelRose, the green/green variegated sport from P&C, but it was bred last fall to Rothkirch, L'Amour, Ecuador Pink, and Bonnie jean; the first pod fell early, so I don't know which quadrant it came from (I pollinate and mark a branch of blooms, rather mark each bloom separately) and even though the seeds were still white, I quickly put them in a plate of starter mix.
Most if not all variegates throw albino seedlings which quickly die; I presently have 10 Green seedlings!!! I'm hoping some will show variegation as they developer leaves, but it's early yet. Either way these will be bred back to Axel, and to each other. A good dark pink "breed able" variegate with long tendrils may be just ahead!!! Cross your fingers!! I still have 8 healthy seed pods hanging on too!
Here is a pic of Axel, for those not familiar with it, then one of the "new kids".

and babies...

very delicate, love the tendrils, put me down for one LOL

Looking good, keep us updated. LindaSC

You're a good mommy!!!

I like it! Might get more color next time around.

No, I don' t think I ever heard of 'AxelRose', before now. It sure got beautiful leaves :) I cross my fingers, that you somehow get some hybrids with variegated leaves. btw. Do you have a photo of Bonnie Jean? It seems like I have been missing the news about a lot of new hybrids.
Tonny

That is beautiful

cool Kristi wish you much luck

Kristi, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you!!!!!!

Kay

Thanks Donna and all. I am pretty excited with it; when there is so much to hope for! It seems variegates are my main aim lately, between Axel and playing with grafting, just in case it really is a virus that causes variegation. Axel is a sport, so it's flowers aren't likely to change from that of it's momma, Peaches, nor has it thru spring summer fall; but the kids might do anything!!!
Bonnie Jean in summer heat was the same color as that sort of stretchy plastic tape stuff from wall-mart, sort of an orangy red, similar to vixen, who I am dieing to cross her to. I'll put a pic of her from late Nov, with Rothkirch (grandpa) between two blooms to show some difference/similarities. It was only her fifth flush when I registered her; early, so that I could present her on Bonnie's birthday to the children of her namesake ( my sister) Bonnie Jean, who had passed away last Easter eve. So she is not released yet, as I realize things could change.
Axel is, and should be making the scene soon; I've given out and promised all the cuttings I can, without chopping off seedpods!!! I want so much to see some new variegates, and the more plants I can personally hand out to breeders, the better the chance they might share a wonderful new child with me!! Lol!!
I don't usually post here, but just lurk; (I am weirdly loyal to people and places that make me happy) however I have friends here, breeders of wonderful things themselves, who I want share special news with.....a variegate that takes pollen readily, and throws living green seedlings is very special!!

This is BJ's summer color next to that streatchy tape stuff...

Beautiful brug.

That is an awesome color

wonderful color on all of them

What a pretty dark green with pink. There are so many great brugs out there, it is sad now that it is impossible to grow them all. A few years ago you actually could. Thank God for pictures, we can live vicariously!

Lagata: My AxelRose bloomed this last week and the blooms were a orangy color. Very pretty. She is still very small and blooming her head off!

Wonderful work Kristi, I love those leaves on Axel, and absolutely love BJ! Would you add Axel to the Plantfiles database here? (Or both?)

So glad to hear it Delisa! She seems to be enthusiastic in all respects; touch her with pollen and she sets a pod!

I'll do that Vi; thanks for the suggestion!

Thanks for posting Bonnie Jean for me :) That was a beautiful thought to name Bonnie Jean after your sister. It has a beautiful color, nearly luminiscent. I can' t wait to see, what your crosses will be like LOL AxelRose x Rothkirch could give a lot of beautiful B. candida hybrids in several color ranges. AxelRose x Ecuador Pink, wow! B. versicolor hybrids of various shapes and colors as well. AxelRose x Bonnie jean and A x L'Amour sounds as a possibillity of multihybrids looking like both B. aurea, B. suaveolens and B. insignis ... anything might be possible from a genepole with their history. I am glad you took your time posting here :)

So am I Tonny: your excitement is very encouraging! ;)
Yes Delisa, the flower color starts very light, and goes through several color stages, from pale peach/white, to near orange, especially in the summer heat.
I have added it to the database as suggested, but only one of two pictures showed up? The second picture, that of AR's new foliage may yet. There is more of a yellow tone when leaves are very young, which is quite striking against the the older leaves. No white at all on this plant, so it does not burn with sunlight as do some. Here is the second picture, which may or may not show up on the database.

Where is the variegation ?

I do not see any in the picture, you say she is a 'green sport' but still name it as a variegated ?

This makes no sense IMO

More than one color in the leaf. Very beautiful coloration.

oops ! I thought that was spray damage.

Funny.

Nice leave's from someone that only has leave's lol

Lol! No, natural Variegation, not chemical damage!
Because it lacks white (what you were expecting probably) it is able to have babies that will live! 12 seed sprouts now, and none are albinos!
I made this picture larger, so separations show better, for you! ;)

(Yes,2 live4 forever, If you must have just foliage, variegates are for you! )

I find your post encouraging as well as you challenge the assumption, that crossing variegates to variegates is not worth the wile LOL I love to challenge the established "truths" as well. One thing I hate is, when all variables are known in advance. It bores me to death LOL The abillity to be able to foretell everything is of course good, but migh as well prove to be an unneccesarely deathweight. It often excorsize the excitement and the surprise out of our lives and we could as well turn into stones : ) People like us will always stand with one foot into the convensions and one foot into the unknown. Sometimes we get the conventions right back in the neck, but at other times we discover all kind of new things or earn experiences, that will come as a surprise.

I think, that you have a very good chance of success producing hybrids with variegation in all shades of green. As I went over old papers experimenting with variegated Datura I found a lot of pointers. Now, why mentuion Datura? LOL Datura and Brugmansia is genetically nearly identical in chromosomical constitution, so what is true about one genera is likely to be true of the other as well :)

I saw that once with variegated Datura stramonium seeds, how the variegated type containing white in the leaf would throw a lot of white seedlings that would die after 14-20 days after garminating. The rest of the seedlings were plain dark green with only a few spots of whiteish. The seeds was a gift from my German friend Uwe and I think he got them from Gatersleben botanical garden. There was this seedling, that lacked white and even thought it produced a lot of dark leaf plants, there was also a couple of green-variegated seedlings among them. But the point is, that the variegated, healthy growing seedlings was there :D

Also a sample of D. inoxia from a friend in Iowa came from a variegated plant, that had white in the variegation. It produced some white seedlings, but also some that had the same variegation pattern as the mother plant.

Keep up the good work :)

hibiscus, I am not trying to be funny!
Just stated what I thought I saw.
Prolly did not have my reading glasses on the first time.

edited for spellin'



This message was edited Feb 10, 2005 11:01 AM

Great color mix love it. It's now at the head of my wish list. cinnabor

I love your attitude tonny! Many things have been created/done by people who get excited from trying improbable things from different directions. The challenge and hope are most stimulating!!Time, and many breedings will tell about this one.
You mention the Datura's ability to occasionally pass on variegated genes in a living seedling; other plants too have this success/failure, where only a few seeds that can carry and express the trait are able to live;. With luck and much trying, this will be one for the Brugmansia family. I would like all seedlings from it to be variegated of course, but if only 1, or a grandchild is, we have found a path! By this time next year we should be seeing many breeders with seedling from this plant. Without the internet, such a project would take a decade or more!!

It is a beautiful plant and flower Cinnabor, and I do not mean to detract from that; but I cannot help but think of it as a breeders tool; however it will of course be available for non-breeders too in time, just to look at and enjoy the fragrance.
I will put one or two into auction soon, as an introduction to the public, (and to replace needed pots and perlite!) but all other cuttings are going to breeders I know, who have said they too will pass cuttings to breeders. Seeds too will need to be grown out, for those that enjoy the growing. This is a very fertile Brug!!

Until we know any different, I want to see this plant used for creative purpose, over money. After all, no amount of money could buy a double red or yellow variegated Brugmansia in the USA today!!! But Maybe this time next year...Who knows? ;)

Three seedling babies are getting tiny new leaves now; I will put updated pictures here now and then, and hope for the best!!.

Much luck and best wishes in this endeavor. I would love to be involved I consider myself a grower...but not in your class as yet...everything in time. cinnabor

(Kristi) Lagata

have you crossed it back to any of the other varigated Brugs ?

Dick

Lol; thank you Cinnabor, but if you grow plants and some die and you don't know why, then we are in the same class! I experiment more than some, but not so much as others ;)

No Dick, I will however use it as pod parent with both "Maya" and "Miners Claim" this summer to see what happens..

My first concern was if it would set pods, if seeds would be viable, and if seedlings would have chlorophyll.
Next is, will there be any variegation, and _then_, will a variegated pollen parent make a difference.
Then inbreeding as seedlings flower. This hobby is very slow, yet still exciting :)

This message was edited Feb 11, 2005 2:06 AM

Update; the fourteen seedlings from this pod are all living straight and strong, and none were albino; otoh, none are showing variegation either. I still have big reasons to look forward to some wonderful new flowers! ;) I'm so very glad I didn't toss these immature white seeds! These are the only ones which sprouted, (several pods fell early) which indicates they were from the pod that was pollenated 2-3 weeks before the others, by Bonnie Jean. But I'll keep the cross as "unknown" for the record.

The other eight pods are holding to the plant well, still very firm. I'm really looking forward to a good ripe one!

Lots of questions to be answered by these young'uns yet, and their future half siblings, and their descendants. Whichever of these bloom first gets crossed both ways to the parent plant!

(I LOVE experiments!!)


This message was edited Feb 25, 2005 3:47 PM

lagata...just wanted to say I really admire you and other members who like to experiment and are willing to put the time and effort into it ! You make beautiful blooms all of us can enjoy!

I love your Bonnie Jean and your varigated leaves with the shades of green! What a wonderful memorial to your sister too!

Margie

I just love the way your mind works Kristi! LOL!
Just think you have a couple of weeks to play!

Very exciting seeing your work!

lagata, most informative, fun thread! I love seeing your work come to life, how exciting!!! Good luck!!!!!!

I for one enjoyed your follow-up. The seedlings looks like having a great time in those trays. A entirely new generation, that might be green, but might also harbour the stronger tendency to variegation in their genepole ... and probably also a stronger tendency to put out varigated branches. Fingers and toes crossed here for you :)

Thanks for the nice replies!!

Tonny, I too wondered if these will throw variegated sports more readily than usual. The very fact that you also suggest that makes it seem all the more likely!

Let me know if you visit the USA; I will have an Axel cutting waiting for you to take home and experiment with ;)

To those kind people that emailed questions, and others that may wonder but did not ask :

I am sorry, but none are for sale. Yes, I will put ONE up for auction starting probably tomorrow,
but I do not have any to spare. I promised too many free to breeder friends, yet cannot take more cuttings until the seed pods on the mother plant have ripened.

Take heart however, because they grow strong and well, and will one day be readily available from others!!

A neat thing about this plant; it looks like *no other*, so at least you cannot easily be fooled into buying an imposter plant!! :)

Lagata