Maybe I need to look at my original container. I thought the DI-SYSTON was the thing that made it poisonous to humans.
I wrote and asked the seller and they said you could use it at seed or transplant time dto get rid of any bugs but not at harvest time.
Jeanette
Advice Please!
I'll bet that when it gets here it will tell me when it can be used and when it can't. I have nothing to go by until I can read the container.
Hello All.
I sincerely appreciate all your great advice, but I just don't know what to do now. I just looked at my Brugs and it wasn't very encouraging. They are real troopers, in that they keep trying to put out new growth both at the growing point and along the stem, but the new leaves quickly whither and turn brown. Now some of the larger leaves near the bottom of the plants are starting to fall off. Perhaps it's best to give up my dream of growing these incredible plants and enjoy them vicariously through all the beautiful posts on this website.
I grow my Brugs under a metal halide light system indoors with about twenty other plants, e.g. Passiflroas, Aristolochisa, Papyruses, Hibiscuses, Alocasias, etc. Nothing else seems like it has bugs, but how do I know? I was so looking forward to enjoying my little greenhouse over the winter and now it just makes me sad. Hours and hours of working on these plants and I seem to be fighting a losing battle.
I'm done whining now. I will continue to read every word of advice I can gather, and appreciate all of it. Perhaps all is not yet lost.
Thank you all again. I am sincerely touched by your efforts to assist me.
Erick
Erick, dunk them in the hot water. You might just see them come alive a while later. At least try one of them. If after you dunk one and it doesn't show any signs of getting better in a couple of weeks, then I have no idea what it could be. I guess I'm stubborn and still feel it could be broad mites. I had them last summer and the growth points looked just like yours. After I treated them with Avid, they grew like they were supposed to. I had one or two that required a second spray.
Thank you Shirley. I'll take your good advice. I, too, think what I am dealing with is broad mites. I'll dunk one and keep up the neem oil treatments on all. I'm also very interested in the idea of applying a spray or systemic miticide.
Fortunately, one brug of the four, as well as the rest of the grow room, is doing well. I'll enjoy that while I continue the battle on the other brugs!
Erick
Erick, even of they die, all is not lost. There are so many brugs to grow. Losing your first 4 is nothing! They are so easy to grow, you will just need to try, try again! And they grow so fast, you will not lose much in time either. Another thing you might try if the plant is big enough, is snip off the top of the brug. If it is big enough, it will put out side growth at the leaf nodes.
Funny, Brugie, I used Avid last summer and it didn't kill them totally. I should try it again at the next outbreak. Did you spray the entire leaf surface, or does it act like a systemic and even if you miss a little area, it still gets them all? I can never seem to get all of theleaves. I should strip them down and only leave a few top leaves before I spray I guess.
I wonder if you got a bad batch of neem oil, Erick. Do yours look like this? This is broad mites.
That is exactly what mine looked like last year, but on huge plants. I sprayed as well as I could under the leaves without moving anything and did a good spary over the top and especially at the growth points. Worked well for me.
Erick,
If you lose yours, come spring I will send you a couple I have that are duplicates. I don't have near the amount that Kell and Brugie do so maybe they can give you a couple too.
I won't send any until spring because I just lost a beautiful one I bought off of Ebay. It froze in transit.
Jeanette
Well Brugie, I will try Avid again if I get them this summer. I know I sitll have a lot left. With Neem you have to cover it entirely to smother the bugs. Easy to do if they are small, but the bigs ones make it tougher! Did I tell you how much I hate mites? LOL
Don't feel bad. I'd rather not have to deal with them at all, but sometimes it happens. Year before last, I didn't have mites of any kind. Last year I had a few spider mites and then the broad mites hit some of my plants and I went nuts. At least they were gone quickly and recovered well. Now, if we could just figure out something to put on them so they don't have to be watered all the time, I'd really enjoy growing them. LOL!
Kell, that is EXACTLY what my brugs look like, so I must have broadmites. I agree, nothing sucks like mites.
I spent quite a bit of time looking at insectides at Bachman's today and found a small bottle of the Systemic Houseplant Insect Control with 2% Di-Syston that Jeanette discussed earlier. I also picked up a Bonide Rose Rx Multi-Purpose spray with .9% neem oil. Any thoughts on whether I should apply both the systemic and neem oil spray now, or just the systemic?
Thank you all for the kind words of encouragement, and your kind offer Jeanette. With all this support, how can I fail?!!
Erick
Erick, if I could I would send you some of the stronger stuff, but I think someone said it is illegal to send it in the mail. Do any of you know that?
Instead of that, how about the water treatment Shirley (Brugie) talked about and then using the neem oil spray and put some of the systemic on. That way you will be doing all of the above and since none of them have anything to do with each other, surly some, if not all, of them will do the trick.
Shirley, Kell, what do you think? Jeanette
Keep us all posted on your 'babies' Erick....their sisters are doing well here in Seattle, so if yours don't make it I will be happy to send some siblings along your way.
Your cuttings are rooting nicely and I will pot them up and send them along as soon as weather warns a bit and I'm not afraid of them getting to cold in some post office warehouse.
I would use the water and then wait a while to see if it works. If not, then use the neem again. You don't want to use to many things at the same time or to close together as you may really burn your plants.
Shirley, I didn't know you had ordered some of that stuff off of ebay. I can't find what pecentage of the DI=SYSTON is in the systemic I have. In the Bonide I think it is 2%. Not much.
Jeanette
I am so fortunate to get all this good advice. First up will be the water treatment. I'll see how that goes and have the neem oil and systemic as a backup. Thank you Jeanette and Shirley.
Marc, it's great to hear from you again! I am determined to bring those brug seedlings you so kindly shared with me to flower in the future, despite of my carelessness in giving them mites. I will never forget how kind you have been to me, and how you got me hooked on brugs. I hope you and yours are doing well. We are well, except for the -20F temperatures we're heading for tonight...
Erick
Oh Erick it was so much my pleasure to share the 'babies' with you....I doubt the mites are any fault of yours and certainly not from carelessness.
You take care not to freeze, and do keep in touch.
Marc
P.S. Thnaks for the very thoughtful Christmas card :-)
Kell, I am so glad you posted the broad mite photo, many thanks. The county extension agent told me that i did not have broad mites, that my problem was poor plant management, including one bed that was low. She did not like my watering schedule and i know I was wrong, but it was not within my power to change it at that particular time. After seeing your photo, I know that I did not have broad mites in the first place and I'm grateful and hope that this year I'll be able to cure my 'poor plant management'...
Erick,
After all this advice, there is something none of us have addressed. I know you said this has not affected your other plants but I think if you don't do something with them you are really pushing your luck.
Jeanette
Scooter, what happened to you? Everybody has been looking for you. Brugie thinks you are out with the animals trying to stay warm. I wanted to tell you that I didn't order that BGH minerals because it was $8 for shipping.
I went to the local hydroponic store and got Pyrosol. I also bought some bonemeal separate. Do you think I should or shouldn't use the bonemeal with the Pyrosol?
Jeanette
btw, I went back to your last post and it was right after your cute rendition of the Beverly Hillbillies and I told Erick you 2 were partying early. I certainly hope you didn't get bent out of shape over that.
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Hello Jeanette.
You make an excellent point. I isolated my brugs from everything else a couple weeks ago and am keeping a close eye on the rest of the grow room. No problems yet (crossing my fingers).
As you all advised, I did the hot water treatment on my brugs. I then added some Bonide systemic to them. It may be a bit early to say, but it looks like the decline has stopped and the new growth is doing well. Hopefully luck is shifting I my side!
All the best to you,
Erick
That's good news Erick. I thought the hot water might take care of it for you and the Bonide sure can't hurt. Sounds like you are on your way to having some beautiful plants this summer.
I've been waiting to hear from you Erick. I certainly hope that took care of the mites. With spring just around the corner things are looking up. keep warm and don't kill those plants with kindness.
Jeanette