Humidity for Hoyasin dry climates?

What great conversations!!!!

I haven't noticed a reversal reversing...LOL...but it could be that a lot of light vs. lower light could do that. Those H. carnosa cultivars have been around for SOOOOoooo long, growing under so many different conditions that I don't think any of them are anything like what they started out being.... On one vine alone of one of the variegated H. carnosas, I have seen a couple of leaves wanting to get the dimples of H. 'Krinkle 8'...and you can bet your bippy some clever clown grew out seeds at the height of the "craze" and so we are not getting vegetive clones of them.

Aloha

I went and chopped off one of the stems so you could see what I was talking about, I guess I'll root it and see what happens...

Here is the pic of the stem...

Raven

Really interesting, Janice...! I wonder if you could do that consecutively and have a patterned hoya...? LOL.

Sheesh! That would be alot of work! In the sun for a while, out of the sun for a while, back and forth, ummm nope, I'm too lazy!!! :O)

Raven

LOL! True raven - when mine grew the darker leaves, it had been getting too much sun. I think that I'll leave the darker leaves there and see if the same thing happens.... its very cool!

Total shade, huh? Would under a bed work? Maybe I could find a spot in the closet? If these 4 leaves have the ability to do what yours did, Raven...it would be worth a try. I'm wondering, though, since this segment of the plant has been disconnected from the orig. roots...would it be as likely to happen? Maybe not? Are the flowers of your plant different from those of the orig. carnosa?

Because I don't do seeds, I'm not sure I understand your comment about the seeds and clones, Carol?
D.

Interesting. But I guess I not exactly clear that those leaves are solid green and totally reverted. Seems from the pic that there is still some veriagation-just less and in the form of very small spots and patterning???? (or do I need a new glasses perscription, lol)
I too have never seen a variegated plant that has reverted to solid green, reverse again on the same stem!!

Mine has those same gray specks in the leaves that you mention seeing, Caron. Hmmmm....

Are they grey or are they the (very dull) variegation????

I just checked mine. I actually have only three leaves that are dark green, and they have silver flecks on them, the same as the rest of the plant, only more visible.

The green with the specks is pretty typical of H. carnosa (the original green thing).

OK...Diane..my comment about seeds and clones: a vegetative clone is going to be just that...a clone - exactly like the plant you took it from. This is how we get "true" reproductions of the plant. But...aha...seeds can differ just so slightly and may give you a bigger/thinner/broader/narrower leaf from some of the seeds. They may give you some plants that have a dimple in some of them but not as pronounced as H. 'Krinkle 8'...it may give you anything! People sometimes grow seeds out just to see if, perhaps, they don't get a "wierdo" or something they will then reproduce vegetatively to see if the difference is stable...and then they can publish it as a cultivar. This is how it is done with hybrids. So - it has been suspected that a plant that doesn't quite fit the "mold" is a seedling...and some dealers have been known to grow out seedlings and then pass them off as either the pod parent or something "new". Not quite Kosher!!! So...with all of the different cultivars of H. carnosa running around for the length of time they have been on the market...it wouldn't be surprising to me if someone didn't pass off seedlings as clones. There are too many of them that don't quite "meet the test"...not quite 8 dimples in a leaf, not a stable variegation....etc. This is just a personal theory...I am just musing here... No preaching, no opinionated pontificating...just wondering out loud. There are many wierd varietions of the H. pubicalyx 'Pink Silver' as well... Who knows what goes on behind closed doors?....on Halloween?

OK...I get it. Like with daylilies and tissue cultures not always being true, sorta...only hoya seeds can bring forth new hybrids that can then be divided and kept true.

It's easy to skip steps and still pass a plant off as the real deal--resulting in wide variations on the mkt. that are not the true breed. Gotcha!

Not taken as pontification--just education. Good info to know! Thanks for clarifying...how else would I learn :-)
D.