Hi everyone, I hope this post doesn't ruin anyone's day. But I am really tired of reading threads filled with information and good conversation, being destroyed by the nasty thread. The thread that says hurtful things to other members. The one that insult's my intelligence, or anyone elses for that matter. Which by the way, I may not have a higher education than others, but I know I have a heart of gold, there is no school for that. I would like to reccomend a truth. Let's keep are threads with three basic elements, education, humor, and sharing. If they don't offer one or more of those values, don't post them. If everyone agrees to this, there won't be any negative response to this thread. Cheers! Heather
Tired of the insults
Thank you gals, that is why this forum was started in the first place.
We needed a safe place to ask a stupid question, and not belittled. I have a lasiantha, that is looking a little peeked. I have been misting, the new grow has little rashis forming, It will have a beautiful flower if I can get it that far along. Any suggestion to save this plant. I'm afraid to cut off the top, I don't want to shook it. Perhaps it need more heat? We have a good group, and thank you for wanting to keep it that way. Share, propagate, discuss. Norma
Point well taken, I was thinking the same! We can privatize our mail to that person or other that it might concern, I joined because of my love of Yardening, a need for laughs, and great exchanges, let's keep it that way.
Yay...me too. As you have heard/read I don't have a college degree. Never stopped me, tho'...I can even read on an adult level!!!! We WILL muddle thru without certain experts altho' I always welcome learning from 'them' as they are knowledgeable and informed. But, hey, I would rather be happy and have a good feeling about myself/others than the opposite.
HIP HIP Hoyay!
I read that a couple of times before I realized what you wrote - "HIP HIP Hoyay!" ? :)
Besides....it's really soooooooooooooo much easier to be nice! :~D
A smile will always reward you. Norma
How right is that! We have enough pressures in our daily lives, I come here for relaxation and education on my favorite subject "Yardening", Annie
I see the point was well received!!!!!!!!!! I must admit, I was a little scared to see the response this thread generated. I hope no one took any offense. How can this be called a waste of time. If only I wasted my time like this in school, actually learning. Who knew science was this much fun!! Thanks to you all! Heather
"Yardening"...great!!!
Hanna, You read my mine. I love this place and the people in it!! Binky :)))))))))
I really hated to see the grumpy/negative attitude in this forum. My response was "nooooo!, don't go there, be nice!" I have a rule in my personal relationships that would apply. We can disagree all we want, but NO ATTACKING! I've found that the nasty folks usually end up getting railroaded off a site just because of the lack of reponse they get to their negativity. I don't care how much knowlege someone has, if they can't share it in a positive light, then best not share it at all. Thanks for bringing this subject up Heather. I was starting to avoid this forum because of the recent verbal land mines.
You mention this forum, trust me, it's the same in other forums, so sad! Dave has even had to put a stop to couple of them. I'm sure that it's upsetting to him, maybe the weather changing is making some a little irritable. Well I'm smiling :~) cause I have enough to deal with outside of DG, so, let's move forward, and realize We don't know what their day was like, and we don't all react the same to situations, and that makes the world go round. You say potato and I say, you know, lol, so how are your flowers growing, I'm so glad to see a little rain here cause as the song goes, it never rains in California!
Someone wrote to me about this and said..."Never mudwrestle with a pig. You get covered with mud then you find out....the pig LOVES it."
LOL
Carol, not my exact words but close enough :)
Like I said previously, don't throw fuel into a fire and it'll burn itself out.
On a positive note, the bad mouthing of DG on outside forums seemed to have given us more members here so we can see it as free advertising :)
Here something that a DG member send to me when she saw the ordeal here:
Kind hearts are the garden
Kind thoughts are the roots
Kind words are the blossoms
Kind deeds are the fruits.
......John Ruskin
Perhaps he sometimes slipped a bit--
Well, so have you.
Perhaps some things he ought to quit,
Well, so should you.
Perhaps he might have faltered--why,
Why, all men do, and so have I.
You must admit (unless you lie)
That so have you!
Perhaps, if we should stop and think,
When painting someone black as ink,
As some folks do,
Perhaps if we would recollect,
Perfection we would not expect
But just a man half-way correct,
Like me and you.
__author unknown
Great saying!!!
I think they capture people's sentiments very well PanamonCreel.
You all made my day, and it was worth while starting this group, I hope Dave is now pleased with us. I want to thank all of you for backing the group up, and hanging in there and gave Dave the chance to straighten it all, we all won, we all not be afraid to open our mouths and stand up for what is right for all of us. Thank you, Habacock, I especailly want to thank you, for turning this around. Norma Lewis
Wow! Thank you for such kind words Norma, and everyone. Cheers!!!!!!!!!!! Heather
Wow! I feel like I must have been in a deep sleep...I missed the negative and was filled with joy when I stumbled across all the kindness, here! I'm so glad I missed the mess that preceded!
Just wanted to "listen in" on people who already have luck growing their hoyas. I'm new to them and have to admit to being a little intimidated. Tried them once before and lost two lovely cuttings:( This time, I've mixed the soil the way my trader said to do and have already seen two new leaves sprout. Maybe I'll be OK with these lovely plants, after all!
Anyway...keep spreading the joy:-) It makes us "new-to-hoya" folks less afraid to speak up!
Diane
It is always the same people that try to stir up trouble, they have been kicked off more than one forum, and Milan I specailly want to thank you, you gave me such good advise, and I hope you are happier here as well. You have been such a dear, and a big help to all of us. Now I must find my Australis rupicola, what should I look for? I do have it, but not labeled. Can you show me a close up of a leaf, I do have a diagram to follow as well, it's not the smallest leaf one, is this the one that the leaves curl back? any input would be a great help. Norma
I don't come to this thread alot but... which negative thread was that??
Michelle,
There was a certain person who was asked to leave DG after coming here just to cause problems, I believe the threads that she posted on have been removed. Oh wait, I just saw that her posts are still there though I don't know if the really insulting one is still there....
Raven
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Yup...they are there. Perhaps they will be a good reminded of who we are, and why we are who we are...
Hugh Prather once said something like..."The mind invents battles so it can convince itself it has won"... There but for the Grace of X go all of us...so...let's not go there.
Thanks for the encouragement, Ceedub:-) I think everyone has one particular plant (different for each of us) that has failed to thrive under his (her) care. It's tough to pick up another one of those plants and try again. My first hoya starts didn't survive 6 weeks...in spite of my good intentions.
I have a few hoya (rooted)cuttings that were trades from August and (so far) these starts seem to be happy, here. Now I have my hopes up that my family will see a bloom! One of the starts (mostekeii??) has a nub that looks like it's forming a bud!!
I'm patient...and I put it into a small pot, like I was told to do.
Hopefully, this will be a much easier and better experience with hoyas, for me:) If I get into trouble, I'll holler! (Though I wouldn't have if I'd seen someone belittled, here--I already failed once with hoyas. Couldn't handle adding insult to injury!)
Diane
Diane...sometimes hoyas get a bad rap. They are actually VERY hardy, tough plants. They are sensitive to moisture and temperature...but those are no brainers for anyone with a slightly green thumb. We tend to think of them like 'really tender'...stick with us. If you can imagine the conditions they go thru in the wild...!
Nice to meet you... :o~
Carol
I have such a hard time with mine. It won't do anything! I had to put it in a clear garbage bag when I went on vacation (so it wouldn't dry out) and I came back and it had new growth!
I took it out and it again didn't do anything new so I just grow it in that plastic bag. It's kind of an eye sore.
I have some questions, please.
hoyas are sensitive to moisture, right?
Should I go now and get mine out of the rain? I'm in Long Beach, Ca.
when you left your hoya in covered with plastic bag, did'nt that create moisture?
help! I have a large trellised hoya that is getting very wet tonight.
I've only had this plant alittle over 1 week.
Thanks,
Debbie
P.S. Do hoyas like high humidity? I assumed they did. Like orchids.
They love humidity. They come from a tropical region. I know however that orchids need humidity AND but they can't stay wet, hence they develope rot easily. I don't know if this is the case with hoyas. Aren't hoyas succulents?
Debbie....what kind of hoya do you have? If it is a carnosa type or pubicalyx and it is in fast draining soil, it will probably be ok, but if you can put it up on the porch or somewhere out of the rain. If it is one of the more sensitive types like lacunosa, you better get it in. Wet and cold temps can kill some of them.
That is one reason why it pays to know at least what type of hoya you have.
Marcy
PS: Hoyas appreciate humidity, but "most" don't require it. Not like some orchids anyway. Ha.
When I start cuttings I use an aquarium with a cover and bottom heat. It makes a greenhouse like enviroment that they love to grow roots in. However, I live in S. Calif. also where the air is very dry in summertime, and all my hoyas do fine out hanging under the olive tree.
I do mist mine when I have time and they seem to love it, but they all do just fine when I go away and they don't get that treatment also.
They are very versital plants that seem to grow under many different conditions.
Marcy
Thanks.
I've been looking around on the web tonight and I do think it is the carnosa type.I need to use a dolly to move it,
I think I'll move it to the porch in the morning to be safe and the soil does feel sandy. I'm saving rainwater for later.
Debbie
Hi Carol,
Glad to meet you! It's hard for me to imagine hoyas growing in the wild. I'm from Nebraska, originally. We have some pretty wildflowers and some great grasses--but no hoya. I'd never have thought about it, but these critters HAVE to have grown in the wild, originally! They MUST be adaptable or they wouldn't be here. Thanks for the encouragement, Carol.
CaptMicha, your plastic bag idea is very clever. OK, so it won't win you a page on Better Homes and Gardens, but your hoya is alive! I am pretty sure it's the water thing that messed me up with my first hoyas. Our humidity is always very, very low (10-20% is not unusual). I've put a humidifier in the room where the hoyas are (alright, alright, I confess I put it there because my DD had pneumonia--but I'm keeping it going even now that she's better--for my hoyas!). I think that might be why they are still alive?
How often should I be watering? I've been using the "finger in the soil" method, very high-tech, and have watered about twice a week. Does this sound about right? They are getting morning sun (except one, which gets filtered afternoon sun).
Diane
Good Morning Carol, What is your web page addy? Some how I lost it????? Thanks, Binky :)))))
HI...webpage addy is on my member page. :o }}
Yes, hoyas do like humidity, water and fast draining soil...that is my experience. There are lots of ways to increase the humidity around your plants...Leslie, Awanda and others know alot more about that than I cause I live in a very humid area...
I grow most of my big plants outdoors in the elements (and we had 2 weeks of solid rain...hopefully over now so I can mow!!!) and I have very fast draining soil with coco fiber chips/orchid bark chips in it which don't stay soggy but they do hold moisture. But there ARE some hoyas that don't want tons of water in the winter months..(like H. archboldiana, H. macgillivrayii for example)... H. pubicalyx seems to live thru anything! They also do need air movement...
Capt. Micha - do you know which hoya you have? Is it, perhaps, over potted? A friend of mine on this forum, SodaPopKid, had the same problem with his H. archboldiana and he just moved it around the house to different corners until he found that sweet spot and off it grew...
Hope this helps...but I agree with Marcy that if you can take it to a porch it might be safer!!! If you have a cutting of it...you could experiment with the cutting and not risk the plant!
Carol
Folks I don't want to preach etiquette here but we kind of left the subject of the original post after the 28th post and went into very useful questions/answer which would do much better placed into it's own thread. I hope you all don't mind that I asked DG staff to move posts after no 28 into a new thread so that, for one, the original thread moves out of sight (sigh) and so that the useful information after No28 (before it wasn't so useful I think) can be found easier for newcomers to this Forum. My apology if this offends anybody. I dunno if and when it'll be moved since DG staff is rather busy.
Milan
This message was edited Oct 27, 2004 4:42 PM