Gretchen, It is always good to know with what disease you are dealing with. Maybe someday, we will know, what is causing SB on the yellow Multihybrids.
Uh oh...is this what I think it is?
So sorry Gretchen. Hope it has not spread to any of the others. :-( hate to hear we have a virus that will affect the pinks to.
Donna -- thank you! I think the important thing to remember with this disease is that its a VIRUS and any and all plants in the Solanaceae family are prone to it. Its carried by Thrips. If a thrips bites into an infected plant somewhere, then flies on to your property and bites one of yours.... I've been told that insecticide will not aid in the prevention, as the thrips will bite into the plant before they realize its been treated. Needless to say, everything is quarantined until I know it was isolated to this one plant. Fingers crossed!!!
But insecticde may help it from spreading I would think.
Nope, he said absolutely not, 'cause that's what I thought too, Kell. Of course the insecticide will help prevent other insects and I plan to use the Bayer again next year, but the pathologist told me it would not help at all with this particular virus. BUMMER!
I can't understand that Gretchen. I hope I am not being dense. If the thrip that is spreading the virus is killed before it can multiply on the now sick brug, you prevent all those newly contaminated thrips from going out into your garden and spreading it even further. Also if you kill the original thrip, it can't go from brug to brug looking for a nice one to set up house. And hopefully you notice the brug is sick fast enough and get it out of your yard.
Also insecticide will kill all the other kinds of bugs hanging around that might feed on the sick brug and then spread it. Unless you are saying thrips are the only bug that will spread this particular virus. Which would be great for I have never had thrips on my brugs! Knock on wood!
Thrips are common pests in many areas. You can only spray and kill those, which are on the brugs but not the insects, that come from outside in to your garden.
That's the key, Kell. As Monika has stated, you can't control the ones that come into your garden and take a bite out of a plant before they die. So, they come in from someone else's garden where they've munched on a diseased plant, then they take a bite out of your plant which kills them, but not before they've transmitted the disease. Does that help?
Bummer says it all, Gretchen. I know how enthusiastic you are about your Brugs and this isn't fair. Did you get any newbies in your gatden from that NB nursery with the tobacco mosaic problems?
Hope you get everybody healthy again. P
Hi Poozak -- No, I did not take any cuttings from there -- TMV is easier to cope with though. Is it a problem there? So far, I haven't seen anything else that look suspicious in my garden...I hope you and yours are doing well :)
I got a similar problem here with a Brug, but the symptoms deviate a bit from yours as the blackish rings are missing in mine ... I know, that heat treatment has been used in Denmark successfully to weaken or entirely remove several kind of viruses from potatoes and tomatoes, Chrysantemums and several other garden perennials. I can not find the info on, how exactly it is done, though ... I read an article a long time ago and it was something about putting the infected plants in a fog-chamber and gradually rise temps. to 43-45 *C for a two days period of time. Not all plants can take these temps., but I know Brugs often can ... maybe a primitive sort of fog-chamber can be "home-made" ...
Tonny
That's interesting, Tonny. Are you going to try that with your sick brug? Mine has been destroyed, but I'm still concerned about the soil where it was growing. Wonder what I can do for that? Monika mentioned Calcium Cyanide, but I don't think we can get that here...
I certainly hope you get yours cured of its ailment!
Getchen
Well, this hasn't been the best week for me... Today I found another seedling that appeared to have very early stages of this yucky virus! Needless to say, it has been removed from the garden and put in the burn pile... This was a yellow multi-hybrid...
I HOPE THIS IS THE END OF THIS PROBLEM.........................
Oh, Gretchen, I hate to hear that. It must be so frustrating for you. Hope this is the last of it, too.
Thanks, Terrie. I really want to share some of my brugs...That's the most frustrating part of this.
My snowbank came in today from Karchesky's! One of these days I hope to be able to share cuttings.
Gretchen, I am so sorry, but, I'm so glad you are on top of it and I hope it will subside soon, really soon!!! I've had a terrible go round with bugs and find myself at a total loss as to what to do - well, that isn't quite true, I've done everything possible, that I know of, that has been advised. It just seems that when I'm clear of one plague, another arrives...broad mites are one of my problems, but since they aren't visible, I don't have a clue if they are gone. I think I need a telescope...
Gretchen, I am so sorry to hear that your problem may be continuing. Maybe if you suspect something again, you should have it tested again. That way you will know for sure if it is the same thing or if maybe you are being over-cautious after the last time. Margie
Dang, not again. I was hoping it would just be the one time and you would get the all clear. I had a brug in my garden that didn't look all that good and just to be safe, I got rid of it. I think it was damage done by the hail storm, but I don't take chances anymore.
Gretchan, I don't have any handy, but when you say the Calcium Cyanide turns into a fertilizer after a length of time, that sounds like Roundup. Could it be????
Jeanette
I don't want to sound like a dummy but what is a Brugmansia? Can someone tell me where to go to see a picture of the Brug.
2pugdogs, it is an ugly plant that we all have been trying to get out of our yards for years. But it seems once you plant one, they spread all over and you just can't seem to get rid of them. They gobble up all your available room and all your money too. The trick is not to get even just 1!! Go back to the main page of the Brugmansia Forum 2pugdogs and look down it and you will see lots of different kinds of these pesky flowers. If you ever see one in person, I suggest you RUN!
http://davesgarden.com/forums/f/brugsetc/
So sorry Gretchen. I hope this will be the end. SB seems to love the suavs and the yellow multi hybrids too.
Jnette, Roundup is a weed killer and doesn't turn to fertilizer that I know of. It is a contact killer meaning that once the liquid hits the leaves it begins to kill the plant. Calcium Cyanide, I don't believe, is available to us in the US. At least not those of us who are just hobby gardeners. I've tried to find it online and have had no luck.
Kell, are you trying to scare 2PugDogs to death? LOL! You are in the right forum to find brugs, 2PugDogs. Just look all around you here.
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I am thinking positive!!! I am willing this to be gone from my garden... Like Brugie, I don't know for sure what this was. It did not present in exactly the same way as the other -- no leaf drop, but it did lose its buds, and it started getting brownish-tan areas around the nodes, kind of like in Tonny's pictures, so I just didn't hesitate to yank it out. Everything else looks wonderful (except for cat bites on my versis)...I have 20+ seed pods on my Isabellas and Whiskers Cross seedlings. Of course it all needs to be fertilized again. I have dug up and potted a few that haven't bloomed yet (high hopes for pink, as they are PBXEP), started some cuttings Kell's way, and log style, and have a few seeds started...We're only going up from here!!! :)
PS -- Kell: you are toooooooo funny!!! LOL
Remember Gretchen, do not share the same pail of water for brug cuttings from different plants. Just in case.
Thanks Kell -- I don't do my cuttings that way... You would hate the way I do it. I Only work on one plant at a time. I take the cuttings that I want from a plant and immediately pot those. Then I disinfect my tools and start on the next plant...So, none of my brugs are sharing anything with one another except air and unfortunately, bugs!
Brugie, you are right. I looked at it and it does not have the Calcium Cyanide. Thanks, Jeanette
Gretchen, I do mine exactly the same way. I've tried so many times to root them in water but I just don't have any luck...
Decided it might be a good time to bump this up for newbies' benefit... I sure hope no one sees it first hand!
LOL Gretchen I started reading away and got half way through and said to myself this sure seems fimilar. So I looked at the date. Glad we aren't starting spring off on the wrong foot.
I did the same thing Brugie...pays to read the whole box, eh?
Hahaha, I read this today, May 6, 2005, and would like to add that I had never used a bubbler (water system) to root cuttings, until, Dec 15,2004, (so that they wouldn't freeze), and the bubbler system worked unbelievably well and all the cuttings rooted quickly...
Thanks, Gretchen, for bumping this up. I'm sorry that I missed this last year.
I am glad I found this thread. It is an old one, but very informative.I hope none of mine have that, but I better start looking.
Good grief Debra, when I first looked at this I thought I was lost in time. LOl, Had to do a double take.
I hope all the new brug owners take a look here, I can see where this would help prevent the SPREADING of this virus by sending out cuttings of " I didn't know what it was " noids. I grow a lot of the Suavleons, and I love the Yellows...
I also grow the tomatoes that hold this virus. I think I should be really careful of "who is where" from now on. I will find it hard to lose one, but would now be willing to lose one in order to save any others. I didn't even know what a "Thrip" was or its habits even until I read this.
Sheesh!
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Glad you found this Debra. I guess you'll have to teach me what a Suavleon is!
I unfortunately know what a thrip is with the roses. Ugh.
Carey,
Brugmansia suaveolens is one of 7 different Brug species. It belongs to the "warm" Brug group. It is characterized by a long exposed neck showing below the calx. The blooms are nodding — not quite hanging straight down, but at an angle. The corolla tips (tendrils) are fairly short to almost none. The body of the flower is very thin, but also very full. The flowers of a suaveolens tend to collapse a bit during the day especially on a hot day because the plant loses more water than its roots can take up, but then perk up by late afternoon or evening. Suaveolens will naturally cross with B. aurea, B. insignis and B. versicolor to create hybrids of various colors. While other species can get Stenglebrand (SB), this species or hybrids of this species are more susceptible to SB.
I'm including a link to iBrugs name list of cultivars. Under Breeding Set, is where you find the ancestral background of a particular cultivar. BGI (Brugmansia Growers International has a database with the same information, but you have to be a member to see it. The information is only helpful if you have a named Brug. With noids, use the flower characteristics and shape as a guide.
This is what most suaveolens species flowers look like. A hybrid would have some modifications of this form depending on the ancestry of the other parent.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.flowersinisrael.com/Flowexotic/Brugmansia_suaveolens_flower.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flowersinisrael.com/exoticBrugmansiasuaveolens_page.htm&h=400&w=600&sz=112&tbnid=a1KWvfT1WHxQZM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrugmansia%2Bsuaveolens&zoom=1&q=brugmansia+suaveolens&hl=en&usg=__A_2t1lO27F9HAuWX_VJBwMPlI8E=&sa=X&ei=rVhnTaKoOMXpgQfE8JTMCg&ved=0CDUQ9QEwBA
This is what the flower looks like during a hot day:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ubcbotanicalgarden.org/potd/brugmansia_suaveolens.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ubcbotanicalgarden.org/potd/2008/02/brugmansia_suaveolens.php&h=578&w=800&sz=88&tbnid=MDTjcjJcAJ7ghM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrugmansia%2Bsuaveolens&zoom=1&q=brugmansia+suaveolens&hl=en&usg=__a7s98QIODAgAbDKWrXfFzPs96sU=&sa=X&ei=rVhnTaKoOMXpgQfE8JTMCg&ved=0CDEQ9QEwAg
I hope this helps.
Wow Bettydee! Thank you for the fantastic response. I have a few NOID seeds that I'll keep separate from the rest. Our soil is so bad it requires amendments no matter what is planted so I'll definitely keep this all in mind when I finally put my brug cuttings in the ground.