Gosh! Its taking FOREVER!! I am not a patient person!
I want to go ahead and get some pollen on her, is now ok?
I want to go ahead and save her pollen. Do I need to wait for the pollen to (for lack of better words) show up a little more? The anthers look mighty smooth, or will they get puffy when I clip them, and dry them.
And, HOW MUCH LONGER UNTIL SHE SMELLS!! lol I keep sticking my nose in there, but... nothin.
Shelly, if the anthers look smooth, the pollen isn't ready. They will look plump and fluffy when it is ready. You can pollinate if you want. I've not worked with L'Amour yet and don't know when she accepts pollen the best.
Thanks Brugie, this is EP.. she is taking forever.. lol I was scared it wasnt EP at all. Sure no smell at all!
My EP never has any smell at all. And, EP is one of the brugs that I have never had any success getting pollinated, maybe something about versicolor and the timing, but I have tried many times and none have taken, most other brugs I pollinate work just fine.
Oh geez! lol thanks for the info Mary. 1st Nova, then this... lol
I usually pull my flowers apart when they at the stage just before they open. Just before the stage this one is at. I remove the anthers and then stick in a paint brush and pollinate. If the anthers are not ready but the stigma protrudes, I just touch the end of the stigma and wait on the anthers. Sometimes you have no choice, you need to remove the anthers to get at the stigma.
Be careful you do not share pollen on your brush between different brugs. I use 1 brush for each brug and each pollen type.
I pull it open when it looks like this.
Thanks Kell... lol I was bound and determined to get this puppy pollinated, I used 4 whole anthers of pollen on the one flower. Gosh I would sure hate if it didnt take. But I know there will be more flowers to grab pollen from hopefully in the near future.
I pulled another flower apart to look inside, and ripped the darn flower. lol then DH said "did you notice this bud" touched it, and it fell off. I told him that was the last time he touched them. He felt so bad he took me to DQ for ice cream. lol
LOL Shelly.
I need to straight this out.. I am bit confused.. lol.. If you don't want the crossed .. can you pollinate same plant from using same plant's anthers to the stigma?
Note.. I did pollinate some of brugs... but some didn't took it. The flower fell down then the stigma whole fell down after few days I pollinated. :o( What did I did wrong? I did pollinated with paint brush or the anthers to the stigmas. and marked it then few days later flower fell then later the whole stigma and the stem fell .. I hate when it happened every times!
Shelly, I'm sorry. I thought you had just talked about your L'Amour opening so I was assuming. I'm good at that. What did you do....lay on the ground to take that picture? Great shot!!
MiniSchnuz asked "can you pollinate same plant from using same plant's anthers to the stigma?"
Sorry, Mini, you cannot generally. The brugs must be crossed with pollen from a different brug.
Thanks MaryinLa.. I know it wont work.. since I read on this post.. I was confusing.. Glad I didn't do that to my brugs.. lol..
LOL Shelly. Was the pollen fluffy? How could you fit 4 anthers full on the stigma? I can do 3 to 4 stigmas with one brush tip full of pollen. I figure a bee does not transfer that much to achieve pollination, why should I! LOL
lol Kell.. well...I took the paint brush, and kept going back every couple of minutes or so, and kept putting new pollen on.. the pollen wasnt all that fluffy. They (anthers) were in a baggie, so I swiped it from the bottom. (please dont tell me it has to be really fluffy! Just sing me a song) lol I was scared when Mary said it wasnt a good mom for her. The stigma sure did change to a little darker color. I tried to be gentle I sware.
Brugie, no, not on my back.. darn close tho lol. I dont have a L'Amour.. I keep saying I have enough. (roll of the eyes) is there ever enough?
Mini, Im sorry I confused you.. lol I confuse myself also.
LOL.. That what when the stigma darked. I know it already pollinated it with other crossed. Few days later.. they fell.. I was so mad that they didn't take it. I pollinated them for nothing! lol.. I hope one day they will take it.
At what time is it best to remove pollen? That is, should it be done as the bloom opens or should I wait until it's in full bloom?? I know this is a silly newbie question, so please do NOT reply. I have lots of blooms, so I'll do it daily until I learn which day is best!! You may return to your regularly scheduled program...
I usually pollinate them during evening as soon as the flower open or in the early mornings. LIke me I would like to know what is the best time to pollinate them? lol
Sherry...I can answer because I don't have an answer....just wanted to say that I know with daylilies at least....you have to get there before the bees! and I heard that the moths like the brug blossoms at night!
Actually I just looked it up in my Preiss book and it agrees with me....p77...pollenation should be carried out immediately after the flower opens, or else an insect is likely to be the faster pollinator.
Yes I agree.. That what I have been doing in the evening soon mostly as flower start to open.. I go and pollinate them before any bees or moth.
Thanks Margie, et al!!! Boy, will I have to get a move on. I have black and yellow bees, built like husky helicopters, that really don't like me interrupting their duties. They are so loaded with pollen that they can hardly fly. I'm gonna go out right now, with a flash light to see if I have open blooms, 8 are almost there. Thanks all!!!!!!! SherryLike
Heres the last picture that I will post, she is finally getting some color. She sure doesnt smell the place up, but when I have my nose right there, she smells great!
She may get darker for you Shelly! Your picture is just great. I love it to pink pieces. LOL. Even your copyright is PINK!! I have to learn how to do that!!!
it wouldnt shock me if she didnt get darker, the nights are still around 49-55 degrees, and the past couple days have been cool.
lol I wouldnt care if she was all brown, shes the 1st that I got to bloom, and smell.
Speaking of brown.. holy cow! Do these things bruise easily or what? Or is it just that I was a little rough in pollinating her... lol poor thing.
lol ok.. I lied..
As I am new to Brugs - I don't understand this thread.
When mine finally start blooming, do I have to do this? Is there a reason why you people are self-pollinating them? Won't bees do it for us? If this is something I need to do, later on, I'm going to have to learn "how". I know someone on a daylily forum posted a pollination chart/pic with instructions once. I thought they were just doing this to make new cross-breeds.
I know I sound naive. That's because on this subject, well, I AM!!!!!
Karrie
Karrie, the reason to pollinate is so you will know what the cross is and for future reference for anyone using your seedlings for their hybridizing experience. Let's say that a critter pollinated an Ecuador Pink brug bloom. You grow out the seeds and you get white, pink, and maybe even a yellow brug. You are kind of up in the air as to what it was crossed with, but probably it was a yellow brug, you think. However, there are some nice pink brugs that have yellow in their background, so it could have been Butterfly, Rosamond, and so on. Your doing the pollinating takes the guess work out of the equation and in working for that perfect pink brug, you can eliminate those that don't throw pink seedlings. Now you have a great seedling, you know the background of it and you can improve on it by what you pollinate it with. Growing brugs is fun and they are pretty, but if you want to hybridize, you need to be sure you know what the cross is and why you made it the way you did. Keep good records and don't give cuttings out for a couple of years to make sure your brug will bloom a couple of seasons the same way. Only keep something that you think is really a great brug. If we kept every seedling that has been grown out this year alone, there wouldn't be enough names for them and 99% of them would probably look alike. Sorry this got lengthy, but I wanted to try to help you understand why critter pollinations are not the best, not that there can't be a great flower come from some of them. This is just my opinion.
Soon you will like us Karrie! Crazy.
So Shelly are you not going to spill to me how I too can make such great copyrights??? Love the pic.
Thanks! lol of course I will spill Kell! :o) I just use (picture it?) and text it in. lol I dont have any of those fancy new photo things. Simple is best for me lol. I just use the alt keycode 0169 to make the © :o)
Here ya go, Kell, here is your copyright on one of your pics that I did just for you :-)
lolol too cute
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LOL Mary! Too funny!
I should ask you too, Mary! What is picture it Shelly? And you text the name in? How do you pick the font and the transparency and color?
Thiis is the stage I like to pollinate my blooms, Shelly. I pollinated this one last night. And it still is closed. At this stage you pull gently apart and it pops. Then I stick my curved Hemostat Clamp inside, remove the anthers and then stick my brush in. Hopefully I do not tear it or poke a hole into it.
Kell, its just a "thing" from microsoft.. I dont know... lolol "microsoft picture it" I really have no clue, its just there. You can chose the font style and color you want, and you can chose where you put the font, by clicking on the picture. I dont know about the transparent ones... I just know how to do the colored ones.
Thanks for that information Kell.Thats a great picture. Ive got the curved hemostat, and a lonnng pair of pointed scissors I have been using to snip the anthers. I havent had the courage to use the hemostat yet, I just know I will rip up the flower, and at this point, I want to enjoy the flower for a bit before I go tearing it up. Nothing else is blooming at the minute, so the only thing I would have to worry about is some critter taking off with my pollen. lol
ok - well, if our Brugs are outside, how do we keep the bees from cross pollinating them in a way we can't keep track?????
I think you will find the hemostat much easier to use than the scissors. I try to get all the anthers off in one tug. I just found a site that sells 12 inch ones, I am going to order a few pairs!
Karrie, I think (from what I understand) YOU actually open the flower before it opens on its own. I dont know if the bees/birds can squeeze their way in before the flower is open. Once YOU pollinate, and if the pollen took (to the stamen) whatever wants can fly up in there, and do whatever it wants, because the pollen that YOU already put on is making (or has made) its way to the ovary. Just like human reproduction (I think) once the egg is fertilized, nothing else can get to it. I bet someone else can explain it better than me lol.
Kell, that sounds great, I think mine are probably 6-8 inches. How much are they asking?
well, by the looks of that original pic on top, I can see a bee making it's way up there.
oh - just saw Kell's post, of when she opens hers - that one is much more closed.
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I dont have any brugs blooming right now, so Im not worried about bees pollinating it just yet.
Well, even if you get there first, suppose your pollination didn't take, but then a bee comes along and pollinates it, and you get a seed pod, but you think it is from your cross. A good method to prevent that from happening is to enclose the bloom in something like a knee high hose after you pollinate.
Shelley they are only $7. Just great. Make sure you get the curved ones. Makes it easier to grasp the anthers and yank.
kell....would you post the link for the curved hemostats please. Don't know where mine are from my working days!
