it is NOT the real Mountain Magic. I don't know this seller, and have written them, just don't want anyone to get taken in.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2397131746&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ARECO%3AUS%3A2
don't buy this plant
THANK YOU! TiG,
I've known honest sellers on Ebay that have made honest mistakes in their labeling of plants but then I've also come across others that could care less as long as they are making $$ of their lies. I myself am grateful you are letting everyone here know so they don't buy this plant. I am not accusing this seller of being dishonest but I guess you'll find out when they reply. I've contacted several sellers before notifying them of their mistake and have gotten a reply with the attitude, "its MY plant so I'll call it what I want". I hope this is not the case here but if it is, lets get the word out.
For those of you that are able to post on GW, you should get the word out too. After seeing how much the real 'Mountain Magic' went for on Ebay yesterday, its likely some fakes will come up later on.
Gemila
Thank you tiG for letting us know.
My guess would be that they saw how much the other one sold for so decided to use that name on theirs, but I am a skeptic.
tiG, thanks for the warning. Does the photo look like another brug anyone recognizes?
This is how the gene/chromosome pools get contaminated. This could show up as MM x ? in the future.
TiG,
E-bay sent me a link to this, this morning, after I requested Mt. Magic brugs! I wondered about it. After reading it, it sounded like it came from HI or someplace...like it was a wild one!
Thanks for your warning...and for your e-mail. When I saw your initals, I thought they looked familiar from here and spent the next 2 hours looking at the posts you started!
I feel like I know you now! Hi !! And glad to meet you.
It was probably just as well you didn't answer my e-mail before the auction closed. It is a beauty though...but I'd better learn on less expensive ones first! Thank you for your advice!
Margie
I saw and emailed him myself Bonnie. The picture looks like it has been doctored on. Look at the coloring of the leaves and the flower. It looks as if the photo had been dipped in a bad dye.
Cindy
glad to meet you too Margie. and I would be just as upset at any other brug being sold under the wrong name, but someone will be disappointed in the end if they get this and it's not MM and the picture really was doctored. it does appear to be, but that's just my opinion.
Thank-you Tig. You have saved me and others from making a costly mistake.
Have you heard back from the seller?
If it's any consolation ... people add the wrong plant to hybrid entries in the Plants Database all the time. It's not that they're trying to be dishonest and misrepresent the hybrid ... they just don't know any better. They see a picture of a pretty pink brug and automaticly think it's the same one they have. In fact, I just removed a photo from one of Terry's entries.
If someone isn't a plant person they just don't understand how important hybrid name is and how crucial it is to be positive with an ID. I could be wrong because there are always people that will do whatever it takes to make a buck... but I'm guessing that person saw how great the previous auction did and thought - "Hey, I have one of those!" It's in the sellers best intrest to change the auction discreption beacuse I'm sure if doesn't he'll be bombarded with e-mails from a lot of angry brug-heads!
This message was edited Apr 26, 2004 1:26 PM
Poppysue,
that is exactly what I was getting at in my post.
Tig,
Looking at each at the corolla and calyx .... they look very different to me.
Scooter, are your photos of two different plants??? The one on the left is tangerine and the one on the right is rosy pink, huh?? SLike
TiG thanks for letting us know!
I bid on this plant this morning, and another ebay buyer notified me that it was a phony. I sure appreciated her letting me know.
Patricia
Thanks for the information,tiG, I know how important it is to keep these names true. Maybe this seller will change the description to say it resembles Mountain Magic.
Bonnie
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This message was edited Apr 26, 2004 9:12 PM
Sherry,
...............The one on the left is the true Mountain Magic, It is the breeder's photo -snowhermit (Terry)
http://davesgarden.com/t/427184/
...................Pic on the right is from the eBay page tiG posted up top.Funny how the whole photo has a pink filtered look.
.............From what I see , they each look very different.
Guess I should have put this in the post w/the picture.
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Yes, the fake photo has a definite red-filter look to it, even in the greens...
Whoever it is needs a new photo program. Too obvious that it was a touched up photo.
Too much Aurea blood in the fake to be MM.JMHO.
Hey, tanks, Scoot!!
I just hope this can be stopped before it is out as MM. As you say thats how Genes get contaminated and a beautiful flower can be lost. So much work went into the making of this it would be a shame that someone would succeed in ruining it, just to make a few bucks....
But I am sure glad so many of yall are watching the e-bay's and such and keeping us posted on frauds and misreperesented items..... :o(
Dee.
Thanks for letting everyone know Bonnie.
FYI,
I got this reply to the letter I wrote them ...........
Subject: Re: Question from eBay Member: RARE 'Mountain Magic' Brugmansia * Sweet Fragrance *
To: ssthunderpony@yahoo.com
Hi!
Thank you for the letter of concern. However, I had purchased 2 starts from a grower that imports along with the variety Herrenhauser Gartner at the end of the year.
I find it rather odd that 3 or 4 other parties have mentioned that they are the sole grower for this variety as well. I believe that the product has been broadly sold prior to, and they have not been exposed to realize it. As per the web, you can easily find photos and growers for the "Mountain Magic" variety.
I do thank you for your time and concern with the issue, and I have further checked with two online growers, and the plant is released for public sale.
Please see the enclosed webpages regarding the variety:
http://www.brugmansias.org/2003hybrids.html (you will notice it is ‘released’ here as well)
http://plantsdatabase.com/t/405593/
http://davesgarden.com/t/427184/
http://www.mobot.org/MOBOT/bloom/2004/2004-03-26d.html
Again, thank you for taking our the extra time and voicing your concern. I have spoken to eBay about the concern as well to make sure people are not taking advantage of wrong varieties, plant types, etc. They do not have an opinion about it as their take is that they are not a nursery, and have no control and any purchaser buying takes absolute responsibility for what they purchase.
I guess that kind of also applies to the dead plants I have received …. hehe
Best regards,
Planetrj
This person does not have the real MM and is a fraud.
Gee, I wonder if he'll get tired of sending that same letter to everyone! He must have quite the dull life. Looks like he's having fun with this, knowing he can get away with it and Ebay doesn't care.
Unbelievable nerve.
I'm curious as to how this works. Who does have the real MM? How does one know that the owner has not shared cuttings with other people who are then allowed to sell on eBay or elsewhere? Can the owner of MM email this seller and tell them that he's perpetrating a fraud?
I purchased "Madiera" from eBay but the seller is someone I recognized from this forum and I'm inclined to trust. However I guess I'll hold off from buying on eBay where Brugs are concerned since I never would have known this was a bum auction.
Eileen
eileen. I grew the plant. I know the handful of people that have this one. None of them have shared it yet and this person says they imported it last year (which means they are breaking quarantine laws) It wasn't anywhere that it could have been imported from. I did write him, he doesn't care. My only concern is that people will be taken in if they don't know.
Thanks for the warning! I just got them same exact e-mail from Rob L. the "brug seller"???? Aren't there any sort of legal ramifications for illegal use of patents of plants? If anyone attempted a stunt like that in the entertainment biz, they'd be shut down in a second.
I see, thank you tiG for explaining it to me. It's always a shock to me when people behave dishonestly and I don't know why...it almost seems the norm at times. You must feel so frustrated about this! Are we allowed to email the high bidder in that auction (when it ends) and let them know what the seller is doing?
Eileen
well, it's not just this brug. with all the great ones being grown this year, it's going to happen again. I'm not sure what the rules are on emailing bidders, I do know they put it where you can so it must be okay.
I've emailed each bidder to let them know that this guy is pulling a scam. Hopefully they will pull their bids.
It was bugging me, I knew i had seen that photo before !!! Ha here it is at kirsch and abel!!
http://www.kirchner-abel.de/site/einzel/29.htm
Big fat fakers!!
Edited to say it took me awhile but i found it!! I can't believe the nerve of some people!
This message was edited Apr 27, 2004 4:46 PM
There are not any legal ramifications because Bonnie's plant is not patented. I know of only one patented brug and that is Snowbank.
I see this as a matter between Bonnie and the seller because MM is her brug; nevertheless, as far as I know, there is nothing she can legally do about it.
If the person had not tinted the picture, then I could very well have believed that he received cuttings of a brug named MM, and when he saw Bonnie's sell for such a high price, he decided that he could probably get that for his MM.
I remember when many of us received brugs that were not labeled correctly and people were sent brugs labeled with a name only to find out it was Frosty. There was much confusion about Seuss and Grimaldi. Many still do not know whether they have Pink Beauty or Rosamond and I know that gene pool has been contaminated because of crosses that had mislabeled seeds. I am not naive enough to think that the brug world can be completely controlled and that everything will always be accurate in it. This will never happen.
Furthermore, the person selling with an inaccurate picture does not appear to be honest or he would have not enhanced the color in it. I feel that the only thing that can be done is for Bonnie (the seller . . it's her brug) to contact those that are bidding on it and refer them back to her auction so they know that it is two different brugs. I really don't think it is appropriate for others to be sending emails to the seller or bidders because it will only be looked at as heresay because it did not come from the other actual seller.
This message was edited Apr 27, 2004 5:51 PM
Good catch Amanda.
I emailed him and told him if the auction doesn't end i would forward the link to ebay, i doubt he/she really cares
Here's an old one of his... 'Pink Dynamite'!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20529&item=2395445159
And how in the world did he manange to get $33 for a CG??
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20529&item=2395443813
This message was edited Apr 27, 2004 6:30 PM
In fact,... after looking over his past auctions... this "magdalena98310" person with 0 feedback seems to have bid on them all. It could be he's bidding on his own auctions or having someone else bid on them for him.
Did anyone e-mail magdalena98310?