Root: If you find that you need a KGW, I have one. It took forever to get started, but its currently thriving and I would gladly send it your way. I'm so new to this I don't have favorites yet... 'xcept I'm still drooling over pics I've seen of Becca Lynn... Anyway, just let me know if you need one :)
Gretchen
Plant to get destroyed.
Thanks Gretchen!! I found one today,Donna sent me a whole box,I thought I had lost my back up,and found another one from her,hiding and thriving!
Carena,I'm the Root,would not be right for me to be the top!!
GW too funny! Great find!
You guys make me laugh so much! Got to love you!
I'm glad you found her, Root.
I am so sorry for all of you who have lost your plants. We call them our "babies" and our "girls". I know that we become so attached and I guess that's because of all the nurturing and care we provide them. Thank goodness SB was caught when it was, thanks to David! Think of all the diseased plants lurking in GH's across the country, unbeknownst to us due to a lack of education on the topic. Thank you David, you have probably saved a lot of brugs!
I spent the last couple of days checking and re-checking my new collection, and thankfully, all appear to be healthy. I even removed the lower leaves on each and every one. I am also thankful to now know about this disease and what to watch for. Guess I need to get my hands on a CG to use as a watchdog. Terrible to have to do that, but necessary it seems. I guess we just always need to be on the lookout for this if we trade. Guess it can manifest itself down the road? Wonder what the average germination period is for it? How long from the time infected until it shows visible signs of distress? Has that answer been previously provided?
dave
Mar 02, 2004
I'm glad that this thread has turned to light-hearted chatting (as much as can happen in a bad situation as this virus is) but I feel like I need to clarify my position, just in case anyone got the wrong idea:
I'm not taking sides on this issue - at all. The SB virus is a pretty serious matter and arguing isn't going to help anything. Anyone that has it should be frank and open about it so that others that have it might be easier notified.
Not taking sides, except maybe the side of the brugs. :) Now to go check on my 70 brug seedlings. :)
Dave
Am I the only person who just breathed a huge sigh of relief?
No Liz, I'm here!
I have to make amends here,Poppysue,I got down working on cuttings,I do think you are right,the healthy cutting I pulled from the back may have your tag,is this your handwriting???
I may have gotten cuttings from you sweetie,and did not know it?
hey, Root
I guess it would also be a good ( & safe ) idea to make sure re-used tags are also sterilized? Yikes, it's sounds like we're gonna have to keep our GHs up according to ER standards.
:)~
P.S. I just took another look at your last pic & I figure either you have the largest hands on the planet or the smallest pots.
:)
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yes Rooty... I think that is mine. I sent my cuttings out earlier than most people. I mailed 60 boxes or so and I'm pretty sure you got one. I thought it was strange you wanted mostly the white varieties - LOL! Others you might have got from me are Cypress Gardens, Eric's Fragrant white, Ollie and Hawaiian Double White. Keep your eye's peeled for other symptoms.
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I checked my brugs, but not sure what to look for, so I am just going to wait til Suzie and Tracey come and take a look. I have not been careful in the past about sterilizing my pruners, so I may have passed it on , not knowing. So far, I can see nothing on any of my plants, except I took off lots of their leaves and they look sorta bald. Cuts back on bugs in gh.
I think we need to discuss the disease, symptoms, and precautions in a civil matter. Please keep personal differences and attacks off the board, as most people don't want to be a part of it. I think at this point EVERYONE needs to be aware of what it is and what to check for. I know I sent out a lot of cuttings last October and that's a lot of people it may have spread to... not to mention if any of those people who might have shared their extras. It's too late for finger pointing now.
I agree Poppy, at this point we need to concentrate on prevention and finding a cure (chemical or a good ole'fashion burning) Nobody is going to admit to this anyway. In light of this I hope though, everyone will practice what has been preached here, sanitation of tools, handwashing, and removal of suspect plants. Another good point is go through proper channels when getting plants, the license and paperwork is not that hard to obtain, and in the states the license is free. The phyto at the time of purchase is going to cost you, but in the long run is well worth the misery it will cost you in the end not having it if there is a problem. Climbing off soap box now, and consider me done, this whole mess has once again gotten out of hand, a differant act with the same actors in the same ole' play we have been watching, life is short, a good friend said to us last week, life is not a rehearsal.
I nursed a plant that had huge brown spots on it all last summer til i got to see i bloom. then i cut i back.
i hope people will get the message that SB occurs naturally in soils and can happen to any one. no one is to blame. it is a fact of life. same thing happens to tomatoes, they are bred for resistance to it. fusarium is one, can't remember the other's name. happened to me in a pot. conditions just got right for it.
And my life is full of hope and fun, i am having a great time, watching my seeds sprout, oh so much fun.
Look at it this way, you won't have all kinds of people emailing you for sase's on your best brugs when they know....lolololol....
I hadn't thought that maybe it could be something in the potting soil we buy to root them in, I'm just glad I know what it looks like. I'll do more sterilizing in the future, and be happy that the plants that aren't suseptible to it will always be here for us to enjoy!
I have also Tossed a KGW that had all the classic symptoms of failing for weeks then the other day I looked for SB.......Bagged and OUT of here !!!
At least more of us will recognize the disease when we see it.......just hope we all come forward with the info -OR- it will get totally out of control.
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As Ludger would say,Smile.
I am one of the lurkers. I am absorbing all of this information as any good grower should be doing.
I have checked all of my plants many times in the past days and feel very fortunate that I have no signs of SB. I only have the knowledge of what I have been reading on this subject so have nothing to offer which is why I haven't posted any information.
I just hope that the people here will stay focused on SB and not turn this into a personal bashing. So sad that I'm sure that some that might have signs of SB might feel very uncomfotable posting it here for fear they will be hung to dry.
Root -- that's gorgeous looking! I'm green with envy! What's her name?
Root , Shirley's Peach is just beautiful , Thank You.
My , what big leaves she has =)
There is a lot of great information here, more from the personal experiences of the members, than from any "expert".
Don't let one or two bad thornapples spoil the whole barrell.
LOL, John! Thornapples! You clever person, you!
so far mine look okay. my main ones are still dormant so will have to wait and see. i know a few places where i got mine from but not all so am watching and praying.
People, they can be replaced. Life is too short. Trust me, there are way bigger issues in life than this. i know i just found out my cancer might be back.
if i lose my brugs then i go get more. they are replaceable. friends and life isnt.
Is SB a fungus, bacteria, or virus? My understanding is that disease usually only strikes stressed out plants. Perhaps growing brugs outside of their climate range does cause stress under the less than ideal conditions we subject them too. I spent many years in the business of importing botanicals for the potpourri and spice industries. One thing that was important was to quarantine new shipments until we were sure they were not infested with any insects.This took care of most of the problems. The other choice would have been to spend substantial funds to fumigate each and every shipment. Maybe quarantine that is something people might want to consider when getting new plants from any source or recieve only from people whose greenhouses or stock have been certified by an Ag agent. I think Arlene is correct when saying that the same diseases that affect brugs affect tomatoes, potatoes and other related genus. The danger is that these crops are very important economically to farmers in the US. If we do not have open discussions among people who grow brugs without encountering personal attacks, we run the risk of having the government restrict open exchange between hobby growers. IMO.
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I would like to re-iterate my gratefulness to those that I have recieved cuttings from. Healthy cuttings or not (I have had 2 bite the dust, don't know why)I am very sure of the quality of the intentions behind sharing with me. Thanks again. Also thanks to those sharing information that is intended for the advancement of knowledge about brug cultivation.
Doug
NOTE: In case anyone is wondering, one participant retracted their comments, which left the thread lacking cogency. I chose to edit the remaining posts in the hope the discussion can be fruitful and beneficial for all concerned.
We ordinarily don't "sanitize" a thread (it's usually best to simply delete them if they get too out of hand), but this particular thread has many excellent tips and information to help identify and possibly prevent SB from spreading further.
As useful as this thread might be, I don't plan to edit it a second time, so please keep it on-topic and constructive.
Thanks,
Terry
Well, I'm not taking any chances any more. Most of the cuttings I took in the fall are in 4 inch peat pots, so no loss to throw the pot, dirt and all away. Any cuttings that didn't seem to be taking off I threw the whole thing away, pot and all. While I didn't have anything that looked like SB, I just don't want to keep anything that might have something going on. I do have some signs of nutrient deficiencies on the brugs coming out of the greenhouse, but that seems to be the norm this time of year. Having them all crammed into a crowded greenhouse, needing repotting, and not fertilizing during the winter has really stressed them. I think next winter I will continue a pretty close to regular fertilizing and repotting regime even on the ones in the greenhouse so maybe they won't come out looking so bad in the spring.
Not only does cleaning house free you from germs, but now you have all that room and energy to put towards your great crosses to grow. That is so much fun to do!!
Mary:
Did you ever receive my e-mail with my questions about your GH? Thanks...Gretchen