This one has a spot showing,it is dark,looks like a bruise.
I found it yesterday,it is on Kyles Giant white.
I do not have a record of where this cutting came from.
The tag on it is one of mine,so that to me means,I dropped or lost the tag it came with.
I am not going to take a chance,it is going to get burned,hard to do,I lost the KGW cutting from Donna,so this was my backup,and you guys know how much I love white,or any of Kyles creations.
So Root, had you cut on this one at all? We need to be figuring out how the disease is spreading. How long ago did you get it? it looks small so maybe in the fall? Is it a failure to thrive?
...Do not feel bad! It could and seems to be happeneing to alot of people. Now that we all know what to look for, it will get better!
A good safeguard would be to email everyone we sent cuttings to last fall and let them know that it is in some of our plants and to be very watchful.
We had no clue about this in the fall. It was an abstract term to us. I remember when you shared so many cuttings. You did a very nice thing then! Had you known, you would have taken precautions. And then as soon as you heard, you stood up and let everyone know. No one can fault you, you have acted admirably!
You do need to email all the recipients of those cuttings. Do you remember if you had them standing in water all together? Did you use the same clippers on them all?
It would be so good to know how long it takes from receiving a clean looking cutting to it getting spots. Do they always fail to thrive, right from the start? Or are they healthy looking and then suddenly go down hill? We should use this unfortunate episode to learn all we can about this disease.
okay i am gonna sound stupid but am still really learning about brugs here and i have cuttings in a pot in my grren house. what is Sb????? what does it do????
just curious so i know what to look for and what it does. thanks
Don't destroy this plant, get it checked. I am getting mine checked. I called my County Agricultural Cooperative Extension and they are going to send it to Pennstate University to be checked. Or call your Master Gardeners program and they will direct you. Cathy
I'm not sure this is even SB,I am not taking a chance,I will try to get a better picture,it is just a mark I do not like.
I have lost all my Msn records,so I do not have the ability to roll through my old Emails.I is going to take me some time to build up my address list again.
I do not want this to get into a finger pointing thread,so Don't!
The fact is,if I could honestly tell where this plant came from,I would contact the person.I have had people here be so generous with me.
I have sent a few Brugs out,if anyone ever has anything wrong with them,please let me know.
Scoot,I believe I sent you Shirleys Peach,I hope it is doing well.
My trades I had in the wings were with a few Mayas.I cut them with disposable razors,and rooted in Rockwool.
I just got back from HD,I got a new Razor set and a Dry erase board for keeping trades listed.somewhere other then on my Puter.
Root.
i have not seen any infected plant/cutting in my garden.
i guess taking extra precaution when the cuttings came paid off. when cuttings came, i had the H2O2, tea tree oil and alcohol handy as i needed them.
i had 2 basins handy as i work on the cuttings:
1 basin filled with water and alcohol rinse off the cuttings from the box.
2nd basin is filled with water and H2O2 [cut off the bottom part of the cuttings]. place cuttings in sterilized bottle that has water and H2O2 and a drop of tea tree oil.
H2O2 give extra oxygen on the plant. tea tree oil prevent fungus growth and alcohol aid in sterilization of the plants from whatever it has come into contact.
the extra step i have taken must have helped the cuttings that are growing nicely in my back porch.
Ma Vie brings up an interesting thought. Maybe it is not a great idea to soak different kinds of brug cuttings in the same fluid.
We really need to learn much more about this disease.
This is as close as my cheap camera will get.
Any Ideas?
Knowing me,this could be a scar from moving it,I am just not going to wait and see if it progresses.
This will be my future cutting tool,just toss the blades as I use them.
I can't even thing about using razor blades. I know for sure I'd cut my fingers off or slit my wrists. I have a hard enough time using normal pruners. LOL Be careful root!
Sorry about your plant. I'd have done the same thing.
u are right Kell. i have sterilized medium sized pickle bottles - these bottles are perfect to use for cuttings. as i used up these pickle bottles, i wash them thoroughly. when i have enough accumulated, i boil these bottles, dried and boxed for future use.
each set of brugs or a cutting is/are individually placed in one bottle. just like humans, we have to be extra precocious for health reasons. i think same thing applies to plants, if we want to grow them right.
LOL Root! When I just glanced at your pic above, I thought you had put a bandaid on its owie. But it is your tag.
I like the idea of the razor but I too, am not to be trusted. I wonder if it is a guy thing.
I got several paring knives at ACE hardware (they were like 1.00 apeice and promptly cut my finger) lol.. but they work great also on cuttings, which I originally got them for. They are only about 6 inches long and sharp, you do have to resharpen them when dull.
Root, I like the disposable part on the blades up there, I might be safer with the blades than with knives. For sure it would be more sanitary for the cuttings.
Not a guy thing with the razor blades. I'm going to only use disposable blade from now on as well.
I hope I made sure no one felt I was accusing them...Lets whip this thing(sb) without losing each others friendship,I am going to go look at my post again,to see if I miss worded anything.You people all mean to much to me.
some infected plants were sent out,we will NEVER figure out where it all started......
If someone sent you infected cutting,I am sure it was not intentional,cuttings could have been taken before any signs were there ,or like me,had no clue what was wrong with the plant.......
the best we can hope for is that EVERYONE,not just people who got cuttings from so and so,I MEAN EVERYONE,look at all your plants closley,if you see any signs of this fungus,destroy the plant,chances are someone here can replace it for you.DO NOT COMPOST.
And relax,we will all get thru this
I don't want anyone to get upset please!!! there's no fault involved, if infected cuttings have been shared over the past few seasons, it was out of love for Brugs and was not intentional! we don't want anyone to be afraid to ask about it or report it if it shows up on their plants. we need to work together to learn how to deal with it. to me the who, where, why or when it started doesn't matter, the fact is it's here and it's not the end of the world. I believe that at this point we need to focus more on learning how to stop it from spreading further. I'm going to research around on the internet to see if there's any more info out there about how long it can remain dormant in an otherwise healthy looking plant. If I come up with any good info, I'll post the links. I love you all and don't want anyone to feel bad about this, we can deal with it!! :0)
I know every one is concerned and upset about their beloved plants and investments, but is it possible that the discussions are reaching hysterical proportions?
No one is to blame. Period. It won't do any good to blame anyone, and it won't make the situation any better. Please be careful not to say things that will hurt people and hurt friendships which have been forged. Let's help each other instead. We're all good people here who care about each other.
MaVieRose said it best "Life is too short."
Edited to fix quote.
This message was edited Mar 1, 2004 1:58 PM
Someone posted a question, and I never could find the answer to it. What is S.B.? How bad is this? What do we look for? I'm a newbie at Brugs too, and need to know.
Rooty, Your cutting looks like it might have come from me. Those are the type of tags I used and and I did send out plenty of Kyle's Giant White. I only kept one cutting of that plant for myself. Mine looks clean but I'll continue to watch it. I don't know if I've had stenglebrand in my collection or not. I've been checking my plants regularly and have trashed plants in the past that I thought looked suspect.
I also want to second Cathy's motion about getting these plants tested. Most agricultural extension offices have a lab to test sick & diseased plants. That's what they're there for. I think lab tests will benefit everyone and clear up a lot of questions for us.
SB = Stengelbrand. It's a bacterial infection that can kill brugs. The disease can easily be spread with contaminated cutting tools and by handling infected plants.
I would appreciate it very much, if US labs would come up with more information as ours. It would be a big help.
Root, I think the problem with this plant is, its top is growing into the thread above it. Check this out - made me laugh!
LOL GW! We're really in trouble if can spread between threads too!
Kimberly, that is too funny. LOL!!
That is hysterical Kimberly! Thanks for the laugh. I needed it.
Please help me over here http://davesgarden.com/t/420068/
Thanks!
Vi
Can seeds be infected too?
No, Karrie, I don't believe so, but seedlings can get it if it is transferred from an infected plant.
Seeds are not infected. You are able to raise healthy plants from seeds. Seedlings will get it only, if they are prone to it or you are careless with precaution like desinfection of cutting tools.
Or touch infected plants then handle seeds? there's going to be a lot of handwashing going on.
I had no idea I was getting into a plant that was so sensitive. I will be careful about handwashing. I have also been spraying that 10% peroxide on them about every 3 or 4 days. They don't seem to mind it, so I guess it isn't hurting them.
Karrie, Brugmansias are not sensitive at all. But like other tropical ornamentals, they suffer from a disease once in a while. They have much stress where I live, the climate is very cool and the vegetation period is short. Sensitive plants wouldnt thrive at all but my Brugmansias do very well up here.
LOL!!GW!!Your Disneyed in your own mind!!
Poppysue,No,I lost the tag,it may be your tag,but I permanent markered over it,yes,I recycle tags!
Unless you have records of sending me a KGW,but it has been a while since I got anything from you,this is a fall cutting.
Oh,I have been working downstairs,it was DDs puter time,I found my back up- back up KGW,Thanks DonnaB!!
I think I am alright,just did not like the looks of this bruise,with all this paranoia on SB,,I did not want to keep it,and figured I would show what I was not keeping and why.
Have I told you guys lately your the best?
GW,You ain't right!Now I gotta breed a Brug that covers two threads!!LOL!You made my day!!!
I'm just glad I got to be the top!
