Before I ask My questions about Brugs.....

I'd like to explain how these germinated, and grew....

I have 3 healthy ones now, the rest get , more time.

Their leaves are remarkable, as in their skin.

I believe I have something extremely handsome on my hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I later found out these weren't Brugs - I'd mislabeled. They were cannas).

This message was edited Mar 7, 2004 2:30 PM

Well, show us a picture Karrie! We are all for seeing handsome!

And whats the question?? Am I missing it? LOL

Well, unfortunately, those brugs are at the house, and I am in an apartment. Hubby and I just can't seem to come to an agreement on how we should treat each other. Yesterday when I went to the Home & Garden show with some neighbors, he went to a "forbidden" place and got drunk. Then he tried to lie about it, then after he admitted it, he made it his personal resolve to bust my chops and squish any little bit of self esteem that I had, out of me.

So I left. The Brugs are at the house, along with the digital camera.

Tomorrow, when I go pick up some more of my things, I will see if I can take some pics of them real quick.

I guess my question would be, when you see them (about 1/2 to 2 inches high now) "Should I transplant these into a bigger pot now, or leave them be a little longer?"

Don't worry, I will be ok. Just keep me in your prayers and let's hope for the best. I will probably edit this post later on, after I have calmed down a bit.

Well Karrie, learn the first brug addict's lesson, you can leave your husband behind but never ever leave the brugs!!


PS: Sure hope you 2 can work it out!

Another lesson, when the brugs are about 3 feet high, and have a nice thick trunk, they make great switches. (I am NOT suggesting you hit him with it or anything, just merely stating the facts)
How big of pot are they in now?
I also hope you can work it out.

Wishing you luck Karrie, with DH and brug seedlings. Tomorrow is another day, make the most of it.

Thanks.

They are in flats - in containers probably 3 inches tall, 2 to 2/1 inches in diameter width. So I know I can't wait for them to get 3 feet high before moving them, lol! :)

Karrie, Good luck with your brugs, but always remember we can always start up a new selection for you.
...........As far as DH goes....I would pretend he has stangelbrand and DUMP him. Luck does not work with a boozer,liar and abuser and who knows what else. Stay safe ! TG it sounds like you do not have little ones.
God Bless,
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ty scooter

I agree! Move on, life is too short! If they are 2" tall and have true leaves, I would say you can move them. Since you are growing them in cell packs though you can leave them for a little while if space is a issue right now, in this size you may just have to watch them closer for drying out, you could also move them into quart size pots to hold you over till you can get them outside.

Karrie .. I agree with the above posts ... Move on! It is not worth trying to deal with a boozer ... you cannot change them. Stay safe! Been there!!

Karrie, I'm sorry this has happened to you. Get away now and save yourself a lot of grief and heartache.

My heart goes out to you. I grew up in a home where a jerk like that was head of the house. He went out drinking and dancing with women of ill repute then come home and beat on my mother if she asked for milk for the baby. He wouldn't let her drive or have control of anything so he could control her life and us. I saw this go on for years until I finally moved away but not after I told him how pathetic he was. These men tear down your self esteme because they are worthless and they know it. The make themselves feel bigger and badder by intimidating some one smaller than they are. They do not change without therapy, they only get worse. And I don't mean couple therapy! This is his problem. The fact that he frequents those places tells you how he views women. Believe me you will be better off without him. A marriage can not survive without trust and respect. Be careful when you go back to get your stuff, he is going to cry, beg, promise you the stars and moon, basically lie as much as he has to to get you to feel sorry for HIM so you won't leave him. But as soon as you decide to stay, he's home free...he'll be a butt again. YOUR ARE WORTH SO MUCH MORE.

Hugs

Daisy

Hello Karrie,
Your post really disturbed me. The more I thought about it, the more I realized it was because of the posters urging you to dump your husband. I don't know you personally. I don't know how many of the posters know you personally. A cyber friend or acquaintance is a much different creature than one you have or make in person. Even after your post about your argument, I wouldn't make make any assumptions about your relationship. I just don't know enough about you or your husband or your past and present histories to do so.

All I can do is wish you well and hope that whatever decision you make leads to future happiness. But please base that decision on your situation and what you want out of the future. Cheerleading for a fellow DG'er is fine but I wouldn't want the responsibility of costing someone their marriage because I read much more into a short, made at-the-height of a crisis post than was there.

Wishing you the best,
Sheila

Skat
............No one is twisting her arm, she came for advice and got it .
................Did you ever consider the sad life of a possible child being born to an immoral father as described.
.........If in fact he is a liar,abuser and and a drunk ( I grew up with one) he broke vows that he made in a covenant with God they both took when they married. Morally I believe he blew it and she should feel no shame or remorse following a path to a better life or safer life, if this is "what she chooses"

I think it was very rude of you to criticize other posters. State what you believe as we all do and leave it at that.

No one here can cost her the marriage, hubby is doing just fine by himself.

THE ONE FLAW IN WOMEN:
By the time the Lord made woman, he was into his sixth day of working
overtime.
An angel appeared and said, "Why are you
spending so much time on this one?"
And the Lord answered, "Have you seen my spec sheet on her? She has to be
completely washable, but not plastic, have over 200 movable parts, all
replaceable and able to run on diet coke and leftovers, have a lap that can
hold four children at one time, have a kiss that can cure anything from a
scraped knee to a broken heart-and she will do everything with only two
hands."
The angel was astounded at the requirements. "Only two hands!? No way! And
that's just on the standard model? That's too much work for one day. Wait
until tomorrow to finish."
But I won't," the Lord protested. "I am so close to finishing this creation
that is so close to my own heart. She already heals herself when she is sick
AND can work 18 hour days."
The angel moved closer and touched the woman. "But you have made her so
soft, Lord."
"She is soft," the Lord agreed, "but I have also made her tough. You have no
idea what she can
endure or accomplish."
"Will she be able to think?", asked the angel.
The Lord replied, "Not only will she be able to think, she will be able to
reason and negotiate."
The angel then noticed something, and reaching out,
ouched the woman's cheek. "Oops, it looks like you have a leak in this
model. I told you t hat you were trying to put too much into this one."
"That's not a leak," the Lord corrected, "that's a tear!" "What's the tear
for?" the angel asked. The Lord said, "The tear is her way of expressing her
joy, her sorrow, her pain, her disappointment, her love, her loneliness, her
grief and her pride."
The angel was impressed. "You are a genius, Lord. You thought of everything!
Woman is truly amazing."

And she is! Women have strengths that amaze men. They bear hardships and
they carry
burdens, but they hold happiness, love and joy.
They smile when they want to scream.
They sing when they want to cry.
They cry when they are happy and
laugh when they are nervous.
They fight for what they believe in.
They stand up to injustice They don't take "no" for an answer when they
believe there is a better solution. They go without so their family can
have.
They go to the doctor with a frightened friend.
They love unconditionally.
They cry when their children excel and cheer when their friends get awards.
They are happy when they hear about a birth or a wedding.
Their hearts break when a friend dies.
They grieve at the loss of a family member, yet they are strong when they
think there is no strength left. They know that a hug and a kiss can heal a
broken heart.
Women come in all shapes, sizes and colors.
They'll drive, fly, walk, run or e-mail you to show how much they are about
you.
The heart of a woman is what makes the world keep turning.
They bring joy, hope and love.
They have compassion and ideals.
They give moral support t o their family and friends. Women have vital
things to say and everything to give.

HOWEVER, IF THERE IS ONE FLAW IN WOMEN, IT IS THAT THEY FORGET THEIR WORTH.
PLEASE pass this along to all your women friends
and relatives to remind them just how amazing they are.


.

Liz, that is so sweet, thank you!

WOW Miss Lizzy! I never knew how special I am! I better email this over to my DH so he will buy me a present for being a woman! Hear me roar! LOL

Liz - I am copying that to a word doc right now! Thank you so much!

ok, I saw some posts up there.

Just want you all to know that I really am analyzing the situation. I even talked with him tonight. It didn't go well, but does it ever at first?

Know what? I think he needs a few more days. He may miss me, but he doesn't miss me enough.

Thanks for your thoughts and your prayers! :)

Karrie20x,
I hope you have family and friends up there to see you through this. There really is a big difference between a cyber buddy who can only offer you cold written words and a real right next to you human being who has known you and will be there to support your choice of action in this situation.

I've apparently offended several regulars here because of my response to you. I have a hard time believing my post could be construed as rude. I must decline to apologize. I would never call someone a boozer on the basis of one reported incident. I must also believe that you saw something special in the man that is your husband and for both of your sakes I hope you still see that in him.

Good luck and I sincerely hope that he comes to his senses,
skatayama

Karrie,
I tend to agree with Skatayama that we as your cyber pals only have a limited view of your situation.

So, I am praying that if this is an abusive situation without hope, that you will have the strength and resources to leave; if it is a situation that could be salvaged with counseling and family support, that I pray that your husband will turn from his foolish ways; but most of all, I pray that you will be blessed with the wisdom to know what should be done and the courage to made the right decision.

Hugs, Nat

Ditto!

Karrie,
DH and I had big big problems 6 years ago (after 15 years of marriage even). We got through it after a separation. We wish you all the best, whatever that happens to be.

Ok - Finally got to taking some pics of these "babes". In my next post, I will post another pic because I'm confused. The next post will show a pic of what is supposed to be a Canna Lily, but it looks just like the Brugs. Do Brugs & Cannas look similar like this when they are babies?

Here is the one that is supposed to be a Canna Lily but looks just like the Brugs.

Karrie- brugs and cannas don't look alike. You don't have baby brugs I'm afraid. Looks like cannas to me.

Well - that means someone sent me the wrong seeds, by mistake, lol!

((sorry) If you need some brug seeds or seedlings for that matter I can help you out. Just let me know.

Well, I was sent several varieties of the Brugs by the same person (I think Shirley). The other ones haven't come up yet, maybe because they really are Brugs, and she perhaps just mis-labeled these other ones. This is kinda funny! I don't mind having the cannas, however!

Hold that thought - I just noticed something in that flat! It was ME that did the mis-labeling, lol!

I did just discover a seeding, that looks different, in another marked Brug section. It is too tiny to take a pic of thus far, but I will when it gets big enough.

I tend to agree with those who gave advice. I lived with a cheating, lying, verbally abusive, controlling husband for 18 years, and believe me, they definitely do not change. The fact that he totally turned the argument around to belittling you when he was the one that had done wrong leads me to believe that he is the same type of person. If things don't make a turn around soon, cut your losses.

You sound like me Karrie with the labels! Brug seeds can sprout in as little as 5 days others might take months. I'd give it some more time.

What happened, is I have those little white plastic markers that I bought. When I was using a dome over the flat, I had to lay the markers down, in order to get the dome to fit properly over the flat. They got mixed up, probably when I was moving them or something. Well - I'm going to have plenty of cannas this year! (Those are red ones, in the pics), and Larkie sent me an assortment of rhizomes that are in bigger pots. The Brugs and the Daturas I will just keep waiting for. :)

Wow! Karrie20x good job on the canna seeds. I didn't know they would actually germinate. How did you go about it?

This year I will have lots of cannas intrigue seeds to offer now that I know they actually germinate. Intrigue is a 7 foot bronce leave orange blooming canna.

Studley sent them to me. I just soaked them in water, overnight and planted them. Kept them in a window plus a floresent light. Bottom watered them. That "intrigue" sounds very pretty. Do you have a pic?

Yes. I have a photo of it. Hold on let me check...Oh its easier to look here...http://www.plantdelights.com/Catalog/Current/Detail/04743.html That photo does not do it justice. If I find a photo of mine in bloom I'll send it over. Let me know if you want seeds to it. I will have to put you a list. Seeds set around October.

True - I just went and looked at it, and all it showed was the leaves! Hopefully you can find yours! :)

I just did a google search and came up with this:

http://www.karcheskycanna.com/intrigue.htm

If that's what they look like, you betcha save me some seeds!