I was thinking we should all talk as a brug community and agree on guidelines on how to best deal with stangelbrand to help prevent it from getting a solid footing here as Monika advised.
I think first we should all get very familiar with how it looks. Maybe if you get SB, you should take some good pics of it and post them so we all get very good about recognizing it. Also note the brug that caught it.
And I think David was such a good example for us all. If we get it, I think we should agree to tell immediately whomever may be affected by it. I personally would rather trade with a grower who has had it and dealt effectively with it, became educated about it, and was honest about it! It is the devil you do not know that gets you!
Any other suggestions?
Stengelbrand, helpful hints on dealing with it!
Excellent post Kell. I just hope everyone can come together on this and be honest as David did.
This one was sent to me late last summer and it looked fine and rooted well. I found it looking like this on Jan. 14th of this year. I can tell you it was a pink and it has been destroyed, pot, soil, and plant. Like David, I will not share anything until I know this has not spread to any of my other plants. This one was not cut on, so I know it hasn't spread by using clippers on it, but I want to make sure that the few white flies that I've had, haven't spread the disease either. The only way to be sure for me will be keeping my plants at home, no matter how badly I would like to share.
David, I'll wait on any plants until we both know our collections are clean. Thanks anyway.
I'm glad to hear that you didn't find anything on your brugs, David.
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Maybe Monika could tell us how long we should wait before we share our plants after we find an outbreak of SB in our garden.
I would also think if you are very good about sterilizing all your plant tools between brugs, and safeguarding against any sucking insects, your chances of NOT having a widespread garden infection is much better than someone who does not follow these precautions.
Also I understand the soil is very infectious also. So that means your shovel must be sterilized before you dig in another area of your yard after digging up an infected brug if is not in a pot.
Thanks Brugie for sharing your picture. I know I am studying each pic I see. I sure do not want to toss plants unless they really have SB.
Hitting self upside head! I never even thought about the shovels...
This will be great Kell!
Theres SO much I would have never thought of either. Ie: the shovel. The more we know the better. I too am studying the pictures like crazy.
Monika has been so great!! She has explained OVER and OVER about this. I wish there was some way that we could follow Monika around one day, when she does cuttings, and take in depth notes, and then post it. I feel bad that she has to say over and over and over, but IT IS PRICELESS information. Thank you Monika.
See!! We ARE teachable!
CG is the best 'watchdog' plant, because she highly prone to it. As long as CG stays healthy, you dont need to worry.
But I would be careful with the trades and here, everyone is depending on the honesty of the other. Brugmansias have a soft bark or skin and for that reason, injuries may happen easy. Callous will overgrow bruises and injuries. Many of such brown spots can be found on a plant. They look like little humbs.
What plant is CG Monika? I don't know all the abreviations yet but I am assuming your referring to Charles G.....
Dee
I volunteer to follow Monika around!!!!Pick me!
I agree great thread,I know my knees are sore too David,I have checked and checked!
I do have one that has corking,and scars,I have it upstairs,and will keep a close eye on it.
So what will be best to clean tools?Bleach,peroxide,alcohol??
I do not have phisan?sp?
I use alcohol on my cutters1/10 is this ok?
I have checked all mine also. Only one that is [deleted] looking is HG, all old bumpy tan colored stems, nothing black or indented. Top growth is nice tho'. It is over 3 years old, so may start a nice green cutting.
That would be my suggestion, start cuttings of everything (back-up plant) and don't keep them together, ie. have two CG's and keep them in differant areas of you collection, that way if one goes down you have a back-up. Burn the containers, and plants if possible, don't compost, or toss in the garbage for the city trash to spread everywhere. Peat moss burns well!
Root alcohol won't cut it. You may have to boil your cutters till you can find some Physan. Your local Greenhouses should have it, and order it for you, you can buy it in quarts or gallons. A gallon shouldn't cost anymore than $30, and it goes a long way. If you are ever down this way I can get it for you. Good stuff! Kill virus, bacteria, fungus.
Don't you dare laugh but how about bleaching and running through the dishwasher?
T, I plan on getting your way this summer,if the creek don't rise,and they still make little green apples!
I will hunt down Physan,I should not have any trouble.
My question here is,I do not have CG.
I do have a Multi yellow Hybrid from Donna,it is healthy as a horse,can I count on it to warn me,or do I need to find a CG.
I have Big Yella,but in my opinion,you could not harm this Brug with a flamethrower!
Just a little suggestion here.
At our last RU, we all got together and split a large quantity of Avid. This sure kept our costs down and we were able to share it with a large group of brug nuts. You better believe I'll bring this topic up for the next one!
Tracey, how do you use this? In a quart jar, re-used or what?
ABADS tells us bleach does not work! They say boil your clippers in water for at least 5 minutes. I bought a cheap stainless steel pot last summer and as I use my clipper put them in the pot and boil the water. It is hard on my clippers I will tell you! I wonder if you had the Physan in a spray bottle if it would be effective or do you have to soak them for awhile? I must read more about it.
I also clean my shovels well and do soak them in bleach once the dirt is all off. If I were digging up a sick plant I would definitely use Physan to disinfect it.
Root, I got Physan at http://www.wormsway.com/results.asp
Oh Root, any yellow multihybrid should work from what I gather from Monika. They are very susceptible to SB.
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Kell your link is not loading for me.
me neither! LOL And you know I want it to load for you Root!
www.wormsway.com
Type PHYSAN in the search box and it will take you there
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Please?? What does CG stand for??
Honeybee
Diane, it is Charles Grimaldi
Root/Kell...the Physan instructions I read says that the tools have to soak for ten minutes in a certain solution.
Honeybee, Charles Grimaldi
Thanks Brugie. I know you sent me or put it on a thread the instrutions when I was complaining that my seeds soaked in this seemed not to germinate well, but I never actually read it. I meant to go back to it and got side tracked. I apologize!
What pretty CG Clare!
I'm going to go buy about 6 pairs of clippers and some physan! Kell I agree we all need to communicate. and keep records! I was bad, I didn't keep track of who sent which cuttings, there's no way for me to be sure where the infection came from, so I sent e-mails to all those that I received cuttings from in the last few months just in case, I know no one here would deliberately send sick cuttings. another thought, cuttings come laying together sometimes, maybe when sharing cuttings from multiple plants in the same box, they should be wrapped separately? I guess it wouldn't hurt!
Thanks, Kell. I actually have several CG's planted in the ground and in containers so I'll be watching them carefully.
In a way it is too sad to use our beautiful CGs like this. It reminds me of the poor canaries that were taken down in the coal mines!
Thanks Kell,now I have an old Police song going through my head!
If I may comment on sterilizing clippers or pruners.
Why bother? a better solution I've learned along time ago is to use a straight razor.
when in doubt, throw it out.
Plus it's easier to pop out a handful of blades and boil them...
at $.10 a peice or so, picking up 20-30 of them isn't much of a trick.
drew
OK Drew, let's see your razor--I honestly don't know if I've ever seen one! Is it really comfortable and safe to use, especially for woody growth?
I am sure willing to entertain this idea! lol. What do they look like? Is the razor part big? If I fall on it will it kill me? LOL. I can be klutz.
Kell, you have a beautiful CG there. I'm not keeping mine for that reason. I just love this brug! I'm not worried about getting SB. I don't think it's that common here. I wipe my tools occasionally with a germicidal disposable cloth, which is a bactericidal, tuberculocidal, virucidal premoistened wipe. It kills everything! It's used pretty extensively in hospitals to aid in the reduction of cross contamination.
Hey kell, glad you said that for me, lol!
Super Klutz here!
Maybe this stanley blade?
Ive cut my knee with one of these suckers! :o)
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LOL Vi, I love how you said "OK Drew, let see your razor." I will say no more! LOL
Wonder why ABADS says bleach will not kill it. 10% bleach will kill HIV, Hepatitis and TB. That's why we use bleach in the labs to clean our surfaces. I must disagree with ABADS. Undiluted bleach will not work, but diluted bleach should work.
Cindy
Cindy I always thought more was better when it came to bleach. I use straight bleach on my tools. I didn't know it should be diluted. Interesting- thanks.
Mystic, I'm laughing but not at you! I've run the pruners through the dishwasher before. It was very hard on them. Although I do admit I was in a cleaning frenzy and they were mistaken for dirty utensils.
I wondered that too Cindy, but I think our reasoning from being in the medical field getsus in trouble. I think we think virus in terms of human virus and we are talking plant virus now, totally differant ball game. I keep 2 pots or bowls mixed up when taking large amounts of cuttings, in the physan book it says to soak for 5 minutes, I soak for at least 10. I use a pair and them put them in the next bowl, grab a clean pair. For the shovel I think I would mix up a 5 gallon bucket. I have a sheep trough out back I am going to use to sterilize pots in. I also read in the Physan book that you can use it to stop dampening off of seedlings. I think we are planning on splitting a bottle of Avid in Mississippi.
Root that would be great! Give me a little warning and I will hide the weeds...... and buy the beer.
T,You will have plenty of warning!It will be later in season,I would love to see your Brugs blooming.
I gotta agree with Drew,for what I am doing right now,small green cuttings,I may go get a box of razors,carpet supply companies,have the far lss then .10 apiece.
For big woodie cuttings I use a hacksaw blade.
T, I'll bring the beer,and leave the weeds!
There were several studies done at universities, MSU was one, and they discovered that bleach does not kill fusarium oxysporum which is believed to be stangelbrand. Garden implements were used on contaminated plants, then sterilized in 10% bleach solution, then used on healthy plants. These were then propagated in sterile environment in medium that had been thru an autoclave. The plants got fusarium, thus proving bleach did not kill the fusarium fungus.
You are so smart Susie! LOL
Cynthia, I was confused also because we use 10% bleach also in our lab. It is good for 10 days. But I never heard that undiluted bleach does not work. My understanding was that undiluted was just too caustic to use and 10% worked so why not use that? Where did you hear this and what is the thinking behind it? I wonder if the back of the bleach bottle says anything for the front says it is germicidal. I will check!!!
I need a huge container to soak my huge ceremic pots. Garbage cans are not wide enough. Any ideas?
Kell: check out a local feed store. They usually have huge feeders/waterers for livestock.
Well, my back and hips were aching last night because I took every brug out of one of my greenhouses yesterday and inspected them really close, sprayed everything down inside the greenhouse with Physan, even sprayed my brugs and their pots down with it.
Kell, did you say that Physan slowed down the germination of seeds for you? I hope not! I just used a weak physan solution to soak that last nice seeds I got and also poured some through the rockwool. Oh man, I sure don't want those seeds to be a loss.