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This message was edited Mar 4, 2004 5:27 PM

my newbie brug sproutling depends on you! Meow!

I'm sorry Cats!

I received a pink favorite from you, what am I looking for on this cutting. It has some brown raised patches on the woody part of the cutting. How does it spread? Thanks for letting us know, I have removed the plant from the others, but I will wait until I know more before I destroy it. Growing brugs is a learning process, and I think we will all learn about this stanglebrand.

So sorry Cats! I hope it doesn't turn out to be too bad for you!

David, I wish you good luck and your reputation is still tops with me.

David ..
It takes alot of courage to come to the forum to say something like this.
As always, you come up in my impressions to the person you are.

But don't jump the gun or feel bad until you are sure.
I have not had SB problems here.
But in the trading.. acquiring new and different, you may bring problems along.
Best is id found to face and deal with it.
I have been watching since so acquiring so many trades the past year.
Problems like SB are just something we all need to be aware and handle to the best.
Also, will not stop me from trading with you and others. Just I will be watching all carefully now.

Thanks for the good person you always are (o:
Alice

David,You are obviously not having a good morning,this is the only way we are going to be able to deal with this virus.
HONESTY!
Let me know in the future,if I can do anything to help rebuild your collection.
Keep us posted,I personally would like to see pics,not only to help me, know what to look for,but others.
I feel so sorry right now,keep your chin up!we are here for you!
Rootdoctor.

David, I agree with Abutilon and ahelms. I am such a newbie with growing brugs (I've had CG for 3 or 4 years, but no others until this past summer), that i don't even know what stanglebrand is or what to look for. Sorry to be such a dummy. If someone would tell me what to look for i will go look at my seedlings and cuttings. Thankyou All. Donna

I'd personally like to see anyone with sick plants take the time and effort to forward them to their county extension lab. I know the first reaction is to dispose of a diseased plant in the trash but we could learn a lot more from it if they were diagnosed in a lab.

Hats off to you David, for letting everyone know. I'm sure you'll take care of the situation if there is something to worry about.

Cathy, Can you get a picture of yours? Someone might be able to tell if you should destroy it or not. Maybe it's just scars on the bark and nothing to worry about.

here is a picture I saved to file. It could have been posted by Monika but I'm not sure.

Here are some pictures of my brug pink favorite. Let me know what you think. I hope it comes out in the pictures.

David, you are okay in my book. I hope you will study a picture of Stangelbrand and not toss plants that just have scars on them. You worked hard and spent a lot of $$ to get your collection.

Picture 2

last one.

This does not look like the picture that scooterbug posted. On this brug the brown spots is raised, in the other picture it looks like it is indented into the plant. I wish abads was up and running. Thanks for all you help. David, I am not upset with you at all. I am new to brugs, last year having my first blooms. I am glad we are having this discussion about this problem and we all need to know what to look out for. Cathy

There was a recent discussion on BGI that had some good photos on it of Stranglebrand. Perhaps Monika and some others will repost their pictures here. I will post on that thread and ask them to post here.

David, I am sure that you feel badly, but you are doing the right thing by notifying those who may be affected and in halting trades to give yourself a chance to inspect and watch your plants. In my mind, this does not damage your reputation, but instead shows that you are an ethical grower. I hope that the damage done to your plants can be controlled and limited to only a few plants.

I think we would all be wise to pay close attention to our sanitation practices and in knowing who we are trading with or buying from. If we are not willing to self police this problem, it has the potential to seriously impact our ability in the future to acquire brugs, particularly across state lines.

Cathy, I'd keep it seperate from your other plants and watch it. Stanglebrand spreads by using tools and clippers on an infected plant and than using the same tools on a healthy plant.... so sterilize any tools and wash your hands after handling it.

Poppysue thanks for telling me how it spreads, I have never cut this this plant or used any tools on it. Yes, I do wash my hands a lot when working with my burgs. This brug just started to get leaves, I got it back in November. Was wondering if it was going to make it. I have removed it from my other brugs and I'll watch and see what happens with it. I don't think this one will be going to the greenhouse.

Just checked Monica thread and it does look like Stengelbrand, my plant looks a lot like the one in her picture. Looking more closely at my brugs, I can see cracks going up the trunk in the brown spots.

Oh no, David. I sincerely hope that your problem is not Stanglebrand or, if it is, it is contained to the one plant. What a shame it would be for all your wonderful brugs to be contaminated. Where is this coming from all of a sudden, when no one seems to have had it in the past? I think it is very considerate of you to warn others of a potential problem with cuttings that you have so generously shared in the past. How could anyone condemn you for being honest and caring?

((((David)))) Like the above... my hat is off to you!!! I would MUCH rather someone come forward, and say they MIGHT have it, than not say anything, and still send cuttings on, and possibly infect more and more brugs.

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THREAD TO REMEMBER WITH THE UPCOMING RU'S!!!

I think I read somewhere that the cuttings that are infected tend to be harder to root also. (but this time of year doesnt help either)
Like Brugie said... study the pictures, and someone is always here to help with questions. We DO need to learn about Stangelbrand. Its here now, and all we can do is learn how not to spread it more. If anyone wonders why there is a 2 year quarantine for plants... Stangelbrand is one reason why.

Oh David I am so sorry! But I think we all are going to be in your position in the years to come. Pink Favorite seems to be named over and over as a carrier. Make sure you squash any aphid outbreak as soon as possible. I just started dosing all my brugs with Bayer systemic that lasts up to a year so if I have SB, it won't spread that way. If I were you, I would dose all your yellow multihybrids at least.

I was going to get rid of all my brugs that I would not be using to hybridize with to make more room, but then decided to keep CG just so I can get a heads up fast if I get a SB plant in.

I am glad I listened and sterilize all my clippers after each plant. It is now a habit. Even if you have SB David, disaster does not need to follow. And remember, all your plants can be replaced, so do not hesitate to toss! Let me know if I can help in replacing any. Though I have a feeling we all will be altering the kinds of brugs we grow now because of SB.

David ... like all the rest, my hat is off to you!! Hope the rest of your collection you worked so hard for will be okay. Will help anyway I can.

David:

I admire your strength and honesty and I'm sorry you're having a problem. Please let me know if I can assist you with anything.

Sorry David. We all have been watching and checking ours. It could happen to any one of us. Thank you for being honest. Hope you can get it under control and it isn't into any of your others.

Oh David, I know you must feel sick. You have worked so hard to build your collection and have been so generous to share with us all. I have some from you (including Pink Favorite). No one could blame you, after all you got it from someone else. I will go straight home and start inspecting. Thank you for posting. Am I correct that the virus is not in seedlings?

It is my understanding that this is not a virus but a fungus disease. Am I right in this understanding?

Yes, I just read more on the subject and it is a fungus. Does that mean that it can spread to seedlings?

My yellow gold also has these brown patches on it, I have 2 one looks good.

It can spread to any brug, seedling or not! But it is not in seeds. But once the seeds are up, they can catch it I would think. I will ask Monika to please look at your pictures. She can tell by just looking.

It can spread to yellow multihybrids evidently with no known contamination as in using infected tools. Aphids or any sucking insects will spread it also. That is why it is so important to be so vigilante.

Last year, Yellow Gold was new in my collection. By the end of the summer, she had SB.

David, I agree with all... hats off to you!!! In my opinion, SB is not established yet in many US collections and its spreading may be stopped by talking about it.

SB is not transmitted by seeds or pollen. It seems, that all highly prone plants have one thing in common: they are Multihybrids and they have yellow flowers.

cbrandenburg, on the first two pictures, it looks like cork to me. The spots of SB are always sunken in. Here is a pic of Herzensbrücke. Thats what the SB spots look like.

Thanks Monika,good picture,so is corking a fungus also?
SB will look like a sunken scar,with black on the sides?
To me,I was not sure looking at Cathys pictures.
I guess in a way,I'm glad there are not a lot of pictures out here to look at...

And if we do stop it maybe we can save some of Glory's hybrids like Whiskers to enjoy in our collectons! If it takes off and gets a good hold, the yellows will be hit hard! I like having Glory's plants in my yard. Makes me think of her often.


I used to think if I could sneak some plants in from Germany I would do it in a minute for I lusted so! Now I understand why it is so important not to! I am glad I never did.

That is the reason, why I always was for sending seeds instead of plants.

And thank you so much Monika for educating us all! The reason I know so much about this is because Monika has been so great about answering all my questions all winter! We are so lucky to have a mentor here to guide us through these tough spots. And we appreciate that you want the US to be saved from the sorrow SB has caused in Europe!

Thanks Monika, so you don't think it's SB. What is cork, and is it ok to keep these plants? I have been looking at your picture close up and it don't look anything like the one on this thread. Whats on my plants is raised, not indented. Thank God. I have been pouting all day and did I give myself a headache.

Thanks for your honesty David. You are a outstanding person.

cbrandenburg, this is often caused by too much humidity but also by injuries. Callous grows to cover the injuries. It is not serious, the plant is ok.