I nicked and soaked my Brugs seeds overnight and sow'd them on 2/8/04. (10 days ago) Should they be coming up soon? So far not a thing!
HOW LONG FOR GERMINATION?
Karrie ,
.............Not to worry, depends on the age of the seed and the type of brug. Some pop in a week and I've had some take 7 weeks.
...................Watch for rotting or moldy seeds and remove them. Are you keeping them on heat or under lights. Brugs need light to germinate. Is the container covered ?
I assume you used a sterile medium?
...................I love growing seeds so there is something to do in the winter =)
Yes, I have them in a sunny window and also have a flourescent light right over them. And I did use a sterile medium, also brand new, sterile pots. When they DO come up, I'll be so tickled, I'll have to get out the digital camera and take some pics to share! :) Thanks for the encouragement!
I check mine everyday several times! I have some special ones taking longer than they should as fresh seeds. I am going nuts also!
We will succeed karrie!
I think I check mine every time I go past them, anticipation!!
I have had some come up, then maybe couple weeks, I dump the dirt, of course I don't remember which they are in the dirt, so when they come up weeks later in a pot with a brug, I am at a total loss to what they might be, but I know they are something I wanted and "need".
lol! I have all of mine labeled, and am just going to continue to let them sit for a couple of months before I decide to chuck it! I just hope none of the girls decide to play tricks on me and switch around my tags! (children can be oh so devious no matter how good they are!)
Let me tell you something. I planted some seeds last year and some came up ina few weeks. Then in one pot (I had put 2 or 3 seeds per pot) after months(!), a seed suddenly germinated alongside one that was about 6-8 inches and hardening up with bark. So don't give up too early.
ok! Just know I'll have to move this flat somewhere else in March to make room for everything else I have to plant yet! I have a sun room upstairs off the bedroom that faces South. It's just too cold in there yet. By March it should be better (gets very warm when the sun is out).
10 days is not a long time for Brug seeds!
You say "nicked", by that do you mean you peeled off the corky coating? Or did you actually nick the "bean" inside???
Not trying to be picky, just want to learn different germination methods!
Thanks!!!
John
A couple of years ago, I potted a bunch of seeds from Eric. I think it was probably around November when I started them. Some came up right away, and others came up off and on until May when I finally said I'd had enough and dumped the pot. So, for some seeds, it can take months.
Gosh Brugie!! That IS a long time to wait! How many grey hairs did you get wondering if you were gonna see them pop up soon? :o)
Karrie... I will be excited to see pictures of your babies, as the summer comes along! Keep us posted!
Shelly, I had so many of the seeds that came up early that as the others came up later in the spring I didn't think they would have time to bloom and I couldn't hold them all over, so I let them go. I kept several of the first up and out of that particular group I named Strawberry Creme. The others that bloomed for me were almost all whites or very pale pinks. I didn't keep any of them.
Sadly, most seeds do bloom white! This is my second year of growing seeds and I learned last year after seeing my results to be picky in which seeds I grow. They take so much time, work and money to grow them, why spend it all on ADW!!!
Watch which crosses bloom in good color, good shape or good fragrance. Or try for all 3!! LOL. Then look for seeds that have those good parents. Listen to people who have been very successful in their crosses.
Some parent brugs nearly always throw whites. The ones that are pollinated by bees are a huge gamble. You can hit it big but chances are you won't. You need to know who the parents were of your parent brugs. It really takes knowledge and thougthtfulness to have a successful breeding program. I am just learning!
If all else fails make sure you are friends with the smart growers who will share the good stuff! LOL
So Kell, even if you have two colored parents, say two pinks like PB X EP or two yellows like IG X EG, you're still probably going to get a white blooming baby? Thats wild! Also disappointing to hear :( Wonder what causes that genetic defect?
Out of the 114 seeds I planted, I have 42 well established (3 and 4 real leaves) babies. I have seeds of specific crosses that have not popped yet, so I am hoping that they are just slower germinating. I'm probably going to move most of them out to the GH next week, and clean my den up.
Broke down today and bought a really nice, thermostatically controlled electric "oil radiator" heater. I was constantly running back and forth trying to regulate the temp. This will be a relief!
Well, y'all have a great evening!!! Gretchen
Good choice Gretchen, I really like the oil radiators , the way they radiate heat even after the thermostat shuts down. It seems to keep a more even temp in the room/GH.
Thanks Shirley. I hope I end up happy with it in the long run. At this point I'm pleased with its performance. The only downside is that it will probably take longer to cool off in there in the afternoon when it goes off. I really like that it doesn't use a blower.
I think that you could always use your fan to circulate the (heated) air if you ever get that cold in 8b.
Gretchen, your chances of getting a color are BEST if the parents are both that color; so you should be in the best possible shape with the crosses you named. Good luck!
Gretchen, that is why it is so important to know the background of all the parents and grandparents as far back as you can go. An old Dave's member Bruno from Ireland just wrote a great article on color basics in the Aurea group in the ABADS newsletter. It really explained it well.
When you cross 2 brugs of the same color you do increase your possibility of getting that color more than whites in the resulting seedlings. But you still can get whites.
Monika, I believe is line breeding pinks in her incredible Rubirosa line. I think she continues to cross back to them, each time increasing the pink color in the background of each generation and decreasing other colors. Eventually the goal is I assume to have a pure pink line that will only produce pinks.
She is meticulous in her breeding program. I am only just grasping the basics here myself. EP evidently is generous with her pink genes. I understand great dark pinks have come from her. Butterfly and EP together seems to be a good pink maker.
Monika may come by and give us a lesson!
Forgive me for being so naive, but how do you "cross breed"??? I've heard of people doing this with daylilies as well, and I am completely in the dark on how to do this.
Well,.......first ya gotta get yerself a bee outfit......
LOL, just kiddin'
Wait for John or kell
LOL Scooter! You need a tiny paintbrush and a lot of patience! I'm a failure. :(
Karrie, seeds I started on 1/25 are still sprouting while others are 4 inches tall. You'll need patience for those too. :)
It's pretty simple. Take the pollen from one kind of brug and put it on the stigma of another kind. Like CG X PB. CG would be the one that you will put the pollen on from PB. Always wash your brush between pollinations in rubbing alcohol.
Gee Brugie, i did not know to use rubbing alcohol. does that kill the pollen?
Kell, you have to kill the pollen in your brush. You know that pollen is viable for a long time so if it is still in your brush and viable and you change pollens, you won't know for sure which one took through the stigma. This is what Eclipse said to do when I was first starting. The alcohol dries fast too, so it doesn't take long and you can be using the brush again.
Thats why I sometimes use q-tips,and just throw them away....
Can I chime in here with a couple questions? (thank you!)
If brug seeds need light to germinate (mentioned in a post above), how come you can Deno them? I had the best results germinating seeds in a damp papertowel in a baggie in a spot that didn't really get much light, in fact almost every seed sprouted. Of course it might have just been really, really good seed.
Also, how long does it take for a little bitty bud to get to the point where it will open? Does anything affect how long it takes such as warmth, light, fertilizer, water - or are we just on the brug's timetable?
Thanks for your help!
Eileen
You do know that you are at the mercy of the "Great Brug"
He alone decides IF you will have blooms and WHEN they will bloom.
You can offer as a sacrifice Peters,MG...and many other concoctions but he alone will decide if you are worthy......
And with one wave of his
Bud Scepter he can turn a double pink into Frosty!
Just ask Kell......
eileen, I have to agree with you that it might have been "really, really good seed", in your case and in many others. I think the seeds need certain conditions to germinate, a combination of moisture and temperature and other variables... these can be met by different sowing methods; so if each method provides the basics, the rest is up to the seeds- which will vary in freshness and yet more variables...
It would be interesting to read of the results of an experiment where the same sort of seeds were sprouted using the various techniques, including the variable of light and darkness.
Eileen, generally when you see tiny buds, it will take about a month for them to fully open. Again, conditions vary and so will the time. In our zone that is a fair guess and winter may be different than summer due to shorter days and direct sun. Just watch...you will see the changes and once the tendrils peek through the calyx, you can really see things happen. Get the fresh batteries in the camera and hang in there.
From what I have read in the short time I have been learning about brugs.. I think each person needs to try several different ways, and see what works best for them.
I know some people have success (I dont know how much but..) with no light to germinate, then others have great success with surface sowing.. some do great with rockwool, others dont.
There are so many different ways, I think its just a matter of what works best for you.
This is all MY opinion, and what has worked for me. So PLEASE be gentle when you respond!
I have two Baby Brugs! One of them isn't quite out yet. Have a question about these though! What is that white hairy stuff????
Karrie, do you have a camera so you could put pictures up for us to look at? Is it like many cob webs at the leaf joints and tip growth area or is it like a fungus? On the plant or on the soil?
Shelly, you are absolutely right. I know what works for me and can only suggest that much and give other options.
I hate to admit it, but I don't have time for experiments either.
Shelly.................BINGO!!
.........If it ain't broke ..don't fix it .
.................... ...........All variances matter, different water compositions, fertilizer,growing medium, heat, water, light, time of year, seed cross, age , storage damage, soak 1 or 2 days, peeled or not , air humidity, bacteria .... good or bad, virus's, fungi , Bugz and critterz in the soil and or seeds , anso on.....................
..................(Unless you run a totally controlled lab type environment, with no outside influences of any kind)Huh Rooty?...LOL
Here is a pic - it's on the seed/soil. Had a real hard taking this photo because of the darkness of the soil and how little the seedling is - but you can see the little white beard it is carrying, just barely, if you look hard!
LOL!Scoot!You better not get rid of the Sang you showed in the other thread!!!
Karrie,My guess would be mold,did you sterilize your soil?
I am guessing, so don't hold me to this!
Maybe someone else can see it better.
Congratulations Karrie! On the white hairy stuff, can you take and post a picture? Is it mold? Is it the root system?
As far as germination, I have found it to be different for each variety or cultivar. Here is my "journal" of brug seeds planted on 1/27 and 1/28 in rockwool, when they sprouted and how many seedlings I have:
You can see that the germination is all over the board. I still have as many that haven't sprouted but all seem to still be viable and only one has been pitched due to mold.
Sure hope that G X PB is nice, since I have a bunch of those!
From on newbie to another, I hope this helps a little, Karrie.
Yes, everything was sterilized. Maybe I should pull this one away from the others and isolate it, not give up on it yet but keep it away from the others.
Ooops, guess it took me too long to send my post.......
Karrie, if it were me, I'd just spray a little fungicide like physan and see if that won't stop it. Maybe some diluted hydrogen peroxide would do it too, not sure. One part to ten water.