This message was edited Mar 6, 2004 7:32 PM
need help
This message was edited Mar 6, 2004 7:33 PM
I have never seen such a thing. I would definitely keep it separated until you know what it is and remember if you cut on it make sure you boil your clippers for 5 minutes after before you use them on any other plant. This is a good idea even if your brug does not have an icky. I toss anything that looks too weird.
It looks like Stängelbrand.
Ludger can you elaborate on Stängelbrand? Is there an English word for it we might know?
Is it a fungus?
Later:-) I am in a rush to work...
May be Monika will see this thread.
I had Solid Gold in the ground, it suddenly keeled over, lots of brugs close to it, they show no signs of trouble! A little side shoot came up from the ground, planted it, seems ok. Have three other brugs did the same. Brown place on stem, like fungus rot. We have had way....too much rain this summer! Have lost Wisteria, Flwrng Cherry tree, etc. from rot. Doesn't seem to be anything "catching".
here's a previous discussion on it. it's a fungus. if you have become more detached about brugs, you should probably throw it away in a garbage bag or burn it to prevent its spread. mainly, be sure to thoroughly sanitize tools used in doing this to prevent spread.
i see your pine needles, there are 2 kinds of wilt, the verticulum and the fusarium? could be wrong. a ph of 7 helps discourage, one occurs closer to 6.5 and the other closer to 7.5. I believe the experts say it will eventually be fatal.
a preventative fungicide might be a good idea for your other brugs, but i am not sure about this or any of it really.
lost my link, will add it in a minute.
http://davesgarden.com/t/387882/
previous discussion and pics of the one i threw away a while back. i have noticed no spread to other brugs. Monika and Ludger are the real experts. looks like quite a few of us have had it. the fungi are everywhere.
Here are some more threads http://davesgarden.com/search/index.php?search_text=St%E4ngelbrand
Monika, says the yellow/gold multihybrids are very susceptible to this fungus.
This message was edited Mar 6, 2004 7:33 PM
David, i think there are many kinds of fungus, and maybe this isn't a killer fungus, i don't know. i pitched my plant just in case, and judging from the pics it wasn't exactly like yours, yours looks more like Monika's pics than mine did.
David, Did that start as dark brown, crusty like(not soft looking) crescents/v's beneath the leaf nodes? I noticed the v's on my Ecuador Pink a couple months ago. Some of the first areas have spread an inch or two along the stems now. It's not affecting the leaves or blooms at all.
It's not rain causing it here because we have just had our dryest summer on record. My plant did come from LA originally, though. Wonder if this is something that can stay dormant for two+ years. This is the only plant with it & I've had it since Jan of 2001. This is the first summer I have seen it. Fortunately, I have not done any trimming on it at all.
I was thinking I better toss it just in case. That's a shame because it's a beautiful 6-7 foot tall, multitrunked plant. Oh, well. I have a little Kyle's Pink that is blooming & I like it better. In a couple years it will be just as big.
sewcrazy, it doesn't sound fatal if it has been like that for two months and is still growing and blooming. please don't destroy it because of anything i said. btw, i agree about kyle's pink, mine never quits blooming.
Thanks, Arlene. The "crud" does seem to be spreading but very slowly. It's only on some of the upper branches of the one plant so maybe by pruning it back severely I could get rid of whatever it is. The plant looks perfectly healthy except for the stuff on some of the branches. I wouldn't be heartbroken to pitch it, though. I do like Kyle's Pink better & this EP has been very slow to grow & flower. It's also very picky about our cool night temps. I don't think it likes it here. The space would be better taken by something not so sensitive.
I would say it is Stängelbrand, Stem blight translated. Its a dry rot. Infected plants will grow slower but continue to flower. The growth will finally stop.
This is VERY interesting! Mine was at soil level, only went up 2", new shoots coming out of it underground. I dug it up, scratched off brown bark, which was very wet. I replanted it in a pot, will keep it drier, away from any others, will see what happens.
This message was edited Mar 6, 2004 7:35 PM
If you have the Stängelbrand in your yard - the next solid gold will get it again...
Ludger, is there any way to get rid of it if it's in your yard?
I've had mine for over two years, was 4'-5'tall. Guess I'll have to dispose of it also. It was potted last year, this year, I planted it in the ground. So sad.
searched the internet found this http://www.americanbrugmansia-daturasociety.org/brugvirus.htm
Just think how sad you would be though if all your brugs caught it!
Some things come into your yard on other plants that you would never suspect. Early this summer, I know there was a warning out on geraniums having a virus that could infect brugs. Or come over the fence from your neighbor! Nothing is yours forever, so enjoy it today and let it make you smile.
There is no need to get hysteric! Stem blight is a fungus and NO VIRUS disease. It affects mainly yellow Multi hybrids. However, it can be transfered to other plants by using cutting tools without desinfection.
Tabacco virus is known to be transported in high altitudes by the wind from US tobacco fields into the Rocky Mountains, where it does much damage to trees.
Brugmansias should and cannot be blamed for all viruses of the world.
This message was edited Sep 24, 2003 3:24 AM
Whew! Thanks Monika, I may just keep Solid Gold in its' pot, away from everything, until I see if it looks ok.
Ahelms,no,sorry.
I agree with Monika! Some brugs will get it.And it is not a virus.
Sewcrazy, I would toss it if I were you esp. if it is not a favorite! Why take a chance of it spreading? You can always get another. And another problem is the insects spreading things around your yard. Even if you are careful, they are not!
Catsmeow, you may never know how it got in your yard. I think I read where impatiens have a mite that spreads viruses to brugs also. I just love impatiens so I ignored that one! LOL You just never know where a disease starts. But you did the right thing I think! Just enjoy the ones you have!
If you really want to know what is going on and if there is a cure, Cala brings her sick plants to the Agricultural Department in her state and they will test them. I believe it is not that expensive. I was thinking a few of my plants had a terrible disease and then Susie told me and Tonny showed me what nutritional problems can cause.
Check this link out, very informative for future problems to compare!! I do not know if brugs suffer exactly the same but definitely very interesting!
http://www.hortnet.co.nz/publications/hortfacts/hf709004.htm
Thanks Ludger and Monika.
David, I was looking through threads to read up on SB. Which brug was this that you had problems with? Is it possible that this brug could be responsible for some of your recent problems? Thanks, Nat
Please take no offense to this, but I believe this is already a sore spot in this forum. We need not add to it, but just drop the subject of David's already stressful problem. After yesterdays problem, I am not ready to spend Sunday that way too. David is trying to drop the subject, so lets help him.
My apology, I did not follow many posts yesterday and don't know about yesterday's problems.
This thread was already deleted yesterday. Why bring it up again?? And I do not think David ever blamed his own problem on anybody! I think David has been beaten up more than enough.
Everyone who received cuttings from David has the right to know that he had Stangelbrand in September of 2003, then offered them for cuttings to several people in November, spreading this awful fungus. I am now upset!! I can't wait to here what my coral glow brug comes back. I'm still praying that is just stressed, but now reading this post makes me think that I do have this SB. Everyone who got cuttings should get there plants checked just to be on the safe side. I read this post yesterday and was so upset that I didn't respond to it, then when I calmed myself down it was gone. I did print out a copy for my husband to read, I'm glad I did, all the information is gone now. I will post the results when I get them.
I do not know David except for his posts on here, but I am sure he did not do what you are accusing him of doing. As I recall none of us in the US had a real clue about this until just recently. And none of us took it seriously as we do now.
Isn't there enough hate going on already that we do not have to start it up all over again?
Why didn't someone who knew he had this SB tell him not to trade his brug cuttings, that's one thing that has surprised me the most. I feel bad for David, but now there are a lot of people who might have this problem and don't even know it. Some people just pop in and out and don't pay any attention to what's happening. Why didn't the warning signs go up in September? Why didn't anyone say, don't share your cuttings David. I just want to know why!! Can someone tell me. I don't hate anyone.
Cathy it is ok, we understand that everyone is upset and scared, but yesterday got out of hand. People getting booted off of this site will not solve anything. That is why we have asked that it not start over again. I know David would not have sent those out if he had though for one minute they were sick. This will happen from time to time. Everyone here at one time or another has had some kind of problem, we have tried to deal with it as a group, but this time failed. As a rule, in the past if something looked funny we tossed it, now we are finding out the reasons behind the looking funny. Brugmansia's are just now starting to become a hot item in the states although many have grown them for years, this is why the Ag people are probably a little reluctant to deal will us in some areas. Most government officials and even bigger wholesalers still classify them as Datura. Everything will be alright if things remain calm, but if fighting on the forums breaks out again, it will not get solved, and I suspect people will get booted. David is going to get all his plants checked, and I am sure he will post answers or let someone know so everyone can follow up apropriately, remember he got it somewhere too, whether by his own mistake or someone elses, at this point no one is to blame. Emotions are just running too high.
PD
This message was edited Mar 7, 2004 10:43 PM
John, this is why I asked for this to stop, the forums are not fun anymore because of this mess. Not because of Cathy's post, she is scared, and I understand that. If there is a problem we should all work together to solve it, if you throw a rock and I throw one back it will never end. Keep it in private e-mail, where if I don't want to listen to you I can atleast block you.
TLynn, I understand what you are saying, this thread blew my mind yesterday. I think I'm going to have a couple of drinks and go to bed, maybe tomorrow the Ag depertment will call me and tell me my plants just stressed out, like me. I'm glad David is getting his plants checked out.
John, I would advise you to read the thread: I got the plague
I bumped it up and you better check the date, it was posted.
SB has been in the US before Oct. 2003 and I KNOW, that before Oct 2003, plants were already send into the US.
I would advise you to read the mentioned thread carefully. There is no reason, to accuse anyone. There has been enough irritations about this.