Brug and Datura seeds

On the left is white Metel Datura and Lilac LeFleur Datura. On the right is mixed Brugmansia seeds.Notice the corky covering on the Brugmansia. Hope this helps the new Brug growers.

Snow,
Thanks...that's a great picture....I'll keep that in my favorites for future use...sure someone else will ask the same question later on.

I did not know that it has 2 different color seeds of Datura. It look good seeds.

Gee snow - I think you should mail that picture to all the seeds companies! LOL!!

Poppy,
I agree.....maybe they will learn the difference.

thanks snow. Now,I will know what I am lookig at ...once I see it.

I've been getting lots of seeds catalogs lately in the mail. I've noticed that several companies are now selling Brugs. They have the white, pink and yellow ones. Some call them Angel Trumpets, some call them Devil Trumpets and I've also seen them called Datura. The only catalog I saw that had them correctly named was the Park's Countryside Gardens catalog.They even had them classified as B. arborea,B suaveolens and B x candida.To someone that is new to growing Datura or Brugmansia I can see it would be very easy to order the wrong seeds or plants.

I got that catalog too and was wondering if the peach one was really and arborea?

My Select Seeds one came today....(website same name)
Page #46. They have Brug Charles Grimaldi(Peachie lookin to me, but what do I know)
Brug Cypress Gardens( white)>>>>>>>>.Datura Balerina White.......Double yellow......Ballerina Purple,,,,,,Evening Fragrance...
Okay...here comes the stupid question. L@@ks like ones flowers grow up...ones down?? no pictures of the Datura ballerinas,,,,are some flowers really purple??? Are people into BOTH kinds or just brugs???
I have my sister In Georgia wanting to grow one too. Trouble is , she has cats . 4 of them. Will that be hard???

I wondered the same thing. How would you be able to tell for sure?

ANYONE EVER SEE ANYTHING ON A DATURA CALLED JIMSONWEEDS???? CHECK THAT OUT.

Ming, once you get familiar with both plants (brugs and daturas) you can easily tell them apart. The Daturas blooms face up and the brugs face down or sort of out and down.

ooooo ... thats what I though. Says in the select seeds too that the Brugs are like 10 foot and the others are 3. but, they say zone 9 and I am 5 so that must mean I can but in pots and not in the ground and bring it in in winter cuz I think CC said she is zone 5 too. SO MUCH INFORMATION!!!! :) Can;t wait!!!

on the cat issue I had a problem with my cats , since I have datura and brugs inside. I found somewhere to sprinkle curry powder around top of dirt. It works, My cats don't bother any of them now. :)

Differences From Preissel...

Shoot = Brug-woody / Dats-herblike or slightly woody at the base

Size = Brug-trees or bushes up to 26 ft / Dats-large plants up to 5 ft

Lifetime = Brug-Long-lived (several years) / Dats- Short-lived, mostly one year sometimes longer

Length of juvenile period = Brug-relatively long / Dats - very short

Flower Position = Brug-nodding to totally pendulous / Dats- upright

Fruit = Brug- berry fruit with no spines, pericarp fleshy, does not open during ripening / Dats- capsule fruit, mostly with spines; chambers of fruit open during ripening ar fall at irregular intervals

Seeds = Brug-With corky seed coat (with the exception of vulcanicola & sanguinea) / Dats- no cork type coat, usually has a noticiable elaiosome (the white thingy where it was attached inside the pod)

Poppy Sue!!! You went to so much trouble. Thanks! I'll have to digest all this.

Mimgsmimi Jinsonweeds are also know as Datura belive out west thats a weed thats not in good favor.

thats putting it mildly.

Great picture, Snowhermit! Thought this needed to be up front again for a while.

Sorry I didn't mean to sound harsh I do have datura's as many on here do I was just trying to be informative

what I read about that jinsonweed is its pure evil! ofcourse, just because its on the internet...doesn;t make it true

Tell your sis to make up her mind first, nobody can have just one, one leads to dozens, and dozens, and dozens...

Irish, no need to apologize! Jimson Weed IS the black sheep of the Datura family around here. I live "out west" and can say that no, it's definitely NOT in good favor with local ranchers and yes, you put it mildly! *grin* But I would stop short of calling it pure evil, atleast from what I've seen around here. I would infinitely much rather have Jimson Weed than, say, that nasty alien Johnson Grass or Prickly Pear cactus. If you have an infestation of Jimson Weeds you can keep them mowed and they will eventually die ~ not so with JGrass or Prickly Pears. All you do by mowing them is re-plant. I have a 500 square foot patch of Jimson Weed on the "back forty" and a 3 square foot patch of Johnson grass in the chicken coop right where it meets the front garden bed. Today, DNephew and I spent an hour digging the Johnson grass out while not being worried about the Jimson Weed ~ I'll get to it eventually. Tell y'all anything? LOL!

Do you have those lovely Texas blue bonnets ????? They are so pretty. Wonder if they would grow in zone 5

Just figured out that must be why i feel close to texas, my mom lived there a couple of times, i have pics of her somewhere stopped on the road with T BBs everywhere. yellow rose was her fav, still hunting an antique yellow to put on her grave, may have to go with something else.

HOLD THAT THOUGHT~! I have just what you need. soon as I find it. i have a book antique roses~. hang on!

FOUND IT> GO to www.weareroses.com ~1-800-441-0002 "The Antique Rose Emporium....." that show I fell inlove with my Zephirine Drouhin roses. They send you THEE most Loverly catalog. ..OH MY! I see here on page 23 they even Show a yellow brug. Next to a rose bush~ Never noticed that before. lol~ANYWHO>>>Everyone Raves over the Graham Thomas ~ that is my next purchase !its a beauty of a yellow rose. hope this helps.

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i had a baby graham thomas, DH managed to get it with the weedeater. gonna try to root mutabilis, hope it's an eary root.

Ming, I raised bluebonnets in Iowa one year. They didn't re-seed though. Only got about a foot or so tall. They were pretty, but I didn't get enough of them to grow to make the plot showy. Now I just raise regular lupins.

Forgot to mention that I planted a D. Wrightii Regal datura one year, as well as others, but when it was time to get it out of the garden I pulled it and laid it at the edge. Something happened and I didn't get it burned quickly enough. The seed pods broke open and I've been hoeing them out for two years. They don't get out of control unless you let them.

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I NEVER had luck with lupine. and my neighbor lady did. Then. she died. So, before the house sold. I went over and dug up HER's . She would of wanted me to have it anyways. And it Bloomed for me. Good thing I took it too. The new people moved in and dug out everything and trashed it. So, this way. she lives on.I just LOVE those pictures you see with a field of the TBB

Bluebonnets are pretty, aren't they? There's a nice-sized patch just to the left of my driveway that people stop and take pictures of. Sadly, it's just about the same spot that the new school entrance is going to be (My family and I are selling the local ISD 35 acres to build a new elementary out here. We need it BAAAAD). After they bloom this spring, I'm going to enlist the aid of a bunch of friends to "move" them ~ we'll pick all of the seeds we can and replant closer to our driveway. I think I can send you all some seeds then if you want. Let me know ~ send your address and I'll put you in my tradetracker.

The life-cycle of the bluebonnets around here is to sprout in the fall, stay small all winter, bloom their heads off in early spring, set seed and the seeds wait for cooler weather to sprout again. There are a very few impatient ones that you can see blooming now, but most all of them stay small and close to the ground until early spring when they go nuts. There's a backroad around here that has a great view of some hills in the distance ~ one year, when the rains had perfect timing, the BBs were so thick that it looked like the hill was painted blue. Gorgeous!

They might do the reverse where y'all are, Brugie and Mimi, sprouting in spring and blooming later that spring or in the late summer/early fall. Arlene, for you, I'll bet they'll do what they do here. Do you get lots of rain in the fall and again in the early spring? Wouldn't it be great if you could get these started on your mom's grave?! I imagine can send you enough that you can try it if you want! I'll probably have bags of them, so sending you an extra handful won't be a problem. The patch we're moving covers probably an acre and that's a LOT of seeds! For a yellow rose, have you ever heard of Lady Banks (aka Lady Banksia)? http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.saxonholt.com/photostories/climbingroses/images/pcd1641-009ps.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.saxonholt.com/photostories/climbingroses/climbing%2520roses.html&h=256&w=170&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlady%2Bbanks%2Brose%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den http://www.mauney.com/bungalow/blooming/2000/april01/dogwood-banks.jpg http://www.mauney.com/bungalow/blooming/2000/april01/lady-banks.jpg It's a beautiful climber that is SO tough! You might could keep it pruned prostrate so that it covers the ground there. I've been "staking out" some huge gorgeous ones in Blanco that I plan to "rustle" this year. I can send you some cuttings then if I get some.

lady banks is yellow, once bloomer, right? think there are a few around here in newberry, they are really pretty. what i love about the roses i have is when you prune them they are blooming again in a few weeks. yes, i tried some blue bonnets last yearr, hoping maybe some came up this fall and i don't know it yet.

Yeah, that's the bad part about it ~ once-bloomer. Do you know what a bluebonnet seedling looks like? I can find a pic if you like.

Wingnut, i couldn't find a pic of a bluebonnet seeding, if you have a pic, would sure like to see, thanks.

Here ya go, Arlene! It's a small one, but it's pretty clear. http://www.wildseedfarms.com/texas_bluebonnet.html

And here's a great info sheet on how to start your bluebonnet patch. It says there not to expect great germination the first year as the seeds have an incredibly hard coat (to allow them to survive the horribly hot and dry summers here). It gives great info on how to speed up that germination, prepare the area, etc. http://wildflower.avatartech.com/Plants_Online/Articles/Article_pdf/Bluebonnets.pdf

Just an FYI, Lupines and Bluebonnets are in the legume family and use special nitrogen fixing bacteria on their roots to make their own nitrogen (there's more to it, but that's easiest way to say it), so go to a farm store and ask for a "Legume Inocculant" and follow the package directions.

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Snow,
Are you the one that has the pretty purple pinwheel datura. I think that I saw a picture of it somewhere and it was beautiful.

that was a pretty picture of the pinwheel dat, I think it won the contest.