oh great idea Cala!!!!
More pics to drool over
Cool idea. That will give us all a great variety of the doubles.
Let's just hope they mail during the winter. I know Monika doesn't, so they might be the same way.
The usual peiod of delivery is April to May. Between October and Marts they deliver on special request. I will try and translate, what I can. My German is niccht so gut, so a few word will fail.
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Liefer- und Versandbedingungen
(Terms of shipping)
Von Oktober bis März verschicken wir nur auf besonderen Wunsch. Sonst kommen die Pflanzen in der Reihenfolge der Bestellungen ab April/Mai zum Versand. Lieferterminwünsche werden soweit wie möglich berücksichtigt.
(From October to Marts we only ship on special request. Else the plants will be delivered in the order, that these arrive in the period of April to May. If you want to have the plants delivered in a certain period, we will as far as it is possible to us, satisfy this wish).
Der Versand geschieht auf Rechnung und Gefahr des Bestellers. Die Verpackung berechnen wir zum Selbstkostenpreis.
(The delivery is on the account of and also on the responsibility of the person ordering).
Wir weisen darauf hin, dass bei Erstbestellung eine Einzugsermächtigung zu erteilen ist. Berechtigte Beanstandungen werden wir bis zur Höhe des Pflanzenwertes ausgleichen.
((Do`t make any sense to me ... Do any of you have a translationbook for that one?)
Gerne können Sie die Pflanzen auch bei uns nach telefonischer Absprache abholen.
(You can also make an appointment using your phone and come and pick the plants up by us).
Da wir nicht immer von allen Sorten bewurzelte Jungpflanzen vorrätig haben, bitten wir Sie um Verständnis, dass es vier bis sechs Wochen dauern kann, bis die Pflanzen zum Versand kommen.
(Because we have not rooted plants ready of all plants, please have understanding for, that it can take from four to six weeks, before the plants can be shipped).
Es ist auch nicht immer möglich, genügend Stecklinge von einer Pflanze zu schneiden. Bitte geben Sie eventuell Ersatzsorten an.
(It is not always possible to have enough cuttings of all plants, so please add substitutes).
Bei Kübelpflanzen und Fuchsien handelt es sich um eine Bestandsliste. Jungpflanzen bitte immer anfragen.
(Not applied to Brugmansia, but Fuchia and Potplants).
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Hope this will be of use to you.
I've written Eric, and will wait for his input as to what he thinks is the best...
Hoping and thinking this might really happen!!! Tonny, do you know what the happy dance is? Well, look close cause I'm doing it.
There is a thing or two I picked up on my research into USDA-APHIS procedures and from my contact with the US representative of plant health in the EU, Mr. Guiterrez.
1. We place the order.
2. (This is unclear until I receive an answer from the hybridizer in Germany, but certification on our account might be demanded from their side. It will delay us in up to a week.
3. Before I can mail them to you, I have to obtain certification from Denmark into the US.
4. Before I can mail the plants USDA-APHIS must be notified on arrival and packet content.
5. According to new APHIS procedures the cuttings will from the US port of entry be taken to a Quarantain plant in Maryland to observation. This happen even if the plants is certified. I cannot guarantee, how long plant surveliance on the Maryland plant will take. From my research of other cases it might be from a week and up to a year. I have by several accounts e-mailed USDA-APHIS on the quarantain issue, but never received any answer. If one of you are in directly contact with them, please clear this for me in advance of ordering ... or else the cuttings will have groewn into large trees, before you get them ;0) (joking)
If the Maryland plant approves of the healthy condition of the cuttings, they will be forwarded to the receipient in your Country, but I don`t know, if this forwarding is on the exspense of the receiver or is the plant it selv will be so kind :|
Rosalena and SuperRose are both my Favorites. Sounds very wonderful. A dream come true. Crossing those to each other or simply to my Candida species-would enable everyone to have seeds as well in the near future.
this is even before January 22? Tonny?? Wish we knew more as to what exactly to expect. Would we want to try and just get a few to see what happens? I'd hate to see everyone waiting and then a huge order rotting somewhere.
I've talked to Tonny and am willing to act as the go-between here. So we could send money to him, and then one shipment here, and then a priority stamp from each of you to get it to your house.
Tonny, what are your thoughts on placing a smallest order? I know there are still the 2 certs that we would need, so that would make a small order more expensive than a large one. thoughts anyone?
If only we could get the company to ship to you right away, we could beat the deadline in January.
2 small cuttings can be grown to tree size to supply everyone very quickly. Best to grow them directly in the ground though so as to get optimum growth from them. Give them plenty of space. Perhaps, shipping overnight is in order. 2 hardwood cuttings would be prefered foolproof method. Green cuttings are do able as well, just a bit harder with some crosses.
with lights and food, do you think it's possible to grow several by spring to cut up? Tonny, do you think they would ship just a couple of them now, and we might beat that deadline? Even with the certs we need now, it would prevent the unknown quarintine period, and they could be quarintined here.
TONNY, TONNY, We can pay for phyto...... if Anne will ship!!!!!!!!!!!! talk to her again, please????
Mail from her is still not coming in, but I can try and write and state, that I will have whole three certificated as a bonus for her for fast reply (friendly joking without any offence meaned about it or her).
I know, that the procedures in the Maryland plant varies and can, but not necessarly will, take long time. But the cuttings will not, as far as I am informed, rot there. They will be grow, to detect, if their behaviour is suspect and they will also take cell samples for analysis. If we are lucky enoug, they just throw them under the electron microscope in the moment of arrival. Because the enforcement is new and because all new laws are executed most accurate, while they are new, all entries will be taken in to control, and if this happen your packet has to join up in the line behind the packets arrived before them.
If any of you are interested in what the quarantain rules are or the plant entry rules, please contact:
Nicholas Gutierrez
US Mission to the EU
US Dept of Agriculture - - Animal & Plant Health Inspection Service
27 Blvd du Regent
1000 Brussels
USDA-APHIS
Plant Protection & Quarantine
Permit Unit
4700 River Road
Riverdale, Maryland 20737
Toll free number---1-888-770-5990
Growing one by mid summer big enough for everyone to have a piece in our group would be easy-sooner than that would be hard to determine though. Still, growers in maryland grow her, she would be large enough for all of us to have a piece when they chopped up the big tree she would be by the time she was ready to ship in a year and still have plenty to go around.
Tonny,
This is what the paragraph means that you didn't understand:
We refer to the fact that with Erstbestellung a direct debit authorization is to be given. We will adjust entitled objections up to the height of the plant value.
Brugie, thanks :) It cleared up some things for me.
*lol*
(In regard of the cuttings from Germany to the US:)
Brugmansia, you are right. Correct me, if I understand it wrong:
tiG suggested to buy small amount only. As I saw no objections to the suggestion, can I take this as something, that we all agree on?
Buy list: Rosalena and SuperRose.
Brugmansia, you suggested to grow them out for all to have cuttings. Can I understand your suggestion such, as it is easier to ship the cuttings directly to you, without tiG as go between?
Is these suggestions something, that we all can agree to as, so we have common consensus, prior to placing the order?
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I hope to hear from the hybridizer soon on my inquiry.
Tonny, what ever Eric wants is fine with me, I simply volunteered because I'm in a warm climate and have the time to reship to others. But that was when we were also talking about a large order with everyone getting a plant and they would need reshipping from a central source here.
I think we need more than one of each, else some won't get them in time for the coming season. it only takes one phyto per shipment, right? there must be at least 12 of us, unless they are very fast growers. nobody would get a bloom for a year if every time one grew a little it was cut.....
just my thoughts, sharing is good, i say start a new thread and ask this question, see what people are willing to pay. personally i would like to have a whole one of one kind right now with a cutting to come in a couple of months from the other.
I agree Arlene, I only mentioned a small order to be able to beat the January new regulations. That's why I was talking about needing someone to be the go between here. Whatever you guys want, is fine with me.
Hey don't forget me!!!!PLEASE!!!