Really end of summer blooms- September almost here

Why do you do this to yourself, Gita?
Any others Cannas blooming at that time? You might get a new hybrid.

I saved a few seeds from the old tall red Canna once, THen forgot what they were. They are so perfectly round, I wasn't even sure they were seeds!. I don't remember what I did with them.

Sally--You mean why I collect the seeds????

Why are there tides?.... Why does the sun rise and set?...
WHY do I collect seeds? Because they are there..... I do not plan to grow them out!

Also--this endless hope that someone, at some time will be looking JUST for these--
and I will have them. There!
It IS a sickness.....a compulsion...a compelling need to save everything...
A grand delusion.....:o/ ........ It is also fun to collect seeds....
G.

I grew a dwarf canna from seed a few years ago(they were from Chris, ladygardener) and it grew surprisingly fast...don't ask specifics because I don't remember but I do NOT have grow lights...I probably started it in a sandwich baggie on kitchen windowsill

Wrote a long Post about some very important information on
what is going on with Coleus and all the re-naming and patenting stuff.

As you can see--I tried sending it 3 times--and there was nothing there....

WHY???? What's going on???

Saved it in MW Word--so I can try again on a different thread--maybe?

Gita

This message was edited Sep 16, 2013 4:06 PM

One more try....

I wrote to Adm. on this---haven't heard back.

I will c/p my Post one more time and remove some punctuation and such.
Maybe putting "***" or some such thing may have blocked it....

I REALLY want you all to read this! it will be an eye-opener!

I am sending this now--and then will try to post it in the next message.
Gita

I HAVE A FLASH FOR YOU ALL!!!

Just got back from "The Greenhouses"--had a long, informative talk
with Scott (The owner)...He is so nice.......:o) Works 7 days a week there....
Today, he was cutting back thousands of pansies with little scissors,
so they would fill out more. They were all blue. Mamy,many other tables
were already done.
He kept cutting...and we kept talking....I took him the box of the Coleus cuttings
I did for him. So--we started talking about Coleus...

Here is what's going on in the "wars for money" among the big growers
and sellers--- to the smaller growers and sellers.--eventually to us all.

***They are "re-inventing" many of the older named varieties (non-patented)
renaming them, and then claiming a patent on them. Of course--we never
hear of these things--as we are mere consumers. But on the grow-sell-buy circuits,
it is a hot new method of making money. ROYALTES from the sellers.
Shame on them!!!! There goes all the heirloom concept.

As an example--The "Inky Fingers" Coleus (which I just took him)--he CANNOT sell--as
5 years ago it was re-named "Dipped in Wine" and is now patented under that name.
SO--Scott cannot do cuttings and grow them out and sell them--without paying a big royalty.
I suppose it is not a huge worry for us mere consumers for our own use. Is it???

He said they were going to "do" the Alabama Sunset" too--and many others...

Out of the 8 different coleus I took cuttings of and potted them up for him--
he just pointed to about 5 of them and kept saying: "This is patented...That is patented, etc..."

This will, surely, happen to the Acalyphas as well--maybe even by next year.

SOOO--coleup----you worked for a grower 7 years ago--and you told me that
when you were there, "Inky Fingers" was not patented.
As I understood it--IF the "Inky Fingers" we now have was grown from cuttings
from 7 years ago--it would be OK to sell it. BUT--it is 5 years ago that all changed....
WHO, and WHEN did the original cuttings of this wind its way down to 2013?

SO educational to stand there and chat with the owner of a wholesale growing business.
Stuff I NEVER would have known...


And, Sally---
I asked him about Spider Mites....He said he doesn't have it in his GH--but if he does--
uses Hydrogen Peroxide mixed in water 1:9 ratio and sprays the plant down really well.
He said if it is a serious infestation--he uses Horticultural oil, or even just liquid SOAP
in water. He said Liquid "detergent" contains Phosphorus....I forget what else he said
about that.

The changing times.......Gita


PS--I had the Capitals brackets wrong--right at the top. >> instead of
Hoping this goes....

YEAAAAHHH....................it was my error....

I thought it must be....Happy now! Gita

Mi mi mi ahem...

Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly
Gita picks flowers, when they die
"Can't help...saving those seeds of mine""

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI0oMBd-Drc

THose were some amazing blank posts- never seen that before.
Thanks for the goods on Hydrogen Peroxide for mites--great non toxic item!

WOW Gita, that was a GREATLY informative post, I'm really glad you got that glitch figured out!!! I'd often been wondering why (OH WHY!?!?) so many of the photos I'd seen of people's "Inky Fingers" looked soooooo much like my "Dipped in Wine" coleus that I grew (last year??)... now that explains it perfectly!!!

And SUPER helpful info on the Hydrogen Peroxide for the mites, I will CERTAINLY remember that one!! That's something I've always got around the house... (great for cleaning out the ears with! heeheeheee) < =D

wow, that is really something about people taking older named cultivars, renaming them and patenting them under the new name. Doesn't seem right. :-(

and thanks for the tip about the hydrogen peroxide and mites!

Since Inky Fingers (named for the hand shaped leaf and finger like projections) and Dipt in Wine ( named because the end third to half of each leaf appears as if it had been dipt in a deep red wine which overlaid the bright gold color of the rest of the leaf) are entirely different plants with different leaf shape, coloration and growth habits, a more likely explanation for any 'Inky Fingers' pics that you may have seen that looked like 'Dipt in Wine' is that the plants were mis-labled by growers, sellers or consumers.

Order 'Dipt in Wine from Rosy Dawn and you will get Dipt in Wine just like the plant you grew last year. A quick search through the USPatent files for patented coleus reveals only about 10 named varieties to date, the most familiar of which is 'Sedona' back in 2001.

Proven Winners brand has trademarked the Colorblaze series of coleus, one of which is 'Colorblaze@ Dipt in Wine' coleus which is the same as plain old 'dipt in Wine ' without the Colorblaze@ designation. The person Gita spoke with is a licensed grower with Proven Winners so may face restrictions, etc that that agreement spells out to continue with the Proven Winners program.

Like pirated music there are also prirated plants just thought Id throw in my two cents 'ARGS' on National Speak Like A Pirate Day!

Here's a photo of Dipt in Wine: http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com/71356-product.html
Here's a photo of Inky Fingers: http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com/71369-product.html

Both photos/descriptions are from White Flower Farms, so the comparison is "apples to apples." They look very different to me.

yes, the leaf shape is quite different!

For mere casual plant trading, there are not enough government agents to go snooping and catch us by our inky fingers...yet. Just don't go advertising named varieties for $.

Judy! You rock!!!

I c/p your findings as well as the 2 links happy enclosed--and e-mailed it to the owner
of MFD Flower and Foliage.

Hope he takes it to heart. His info on the new name was from a vendor that he deals with.

Judy--where did you find the information that this GH "Owner" deals with "Proven Winners"???
Nothing he sells is in their (PW) pots--just plain white 5" pots of black cell packs.
Was this an assumption on your part? Was it fact you discovered?

I want to give this Guy the best info i can. Gita

Goldenrod is in full bloom and attracting a zillion of all different wasps and bees. I also usually find goldenrod beetles
https://www.google.com/search?q=goldenrod+beetle+longhorned&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FI07UsvgFbSn4APXmYCwDA&ved=0CDcQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=680&dpr=1

Info is from owners website
http://mdflowercompany.com/what-we-grow/

Plant patent info
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html

I checked every topic--never saw PW mentioned.....

May have missed something? No biggie....just curious
G.

As always, Judy to the rescue!! Bravo!!! Your info is always spot-on and to be trusted.

Happy, thank you for the photo links. The pic of the Dipt in Wine doesn't look ANYTHING like what I grew... and it was labeled "Dipt in Wine"... and I bought it at work. Oh dear, now I don't know what to think!? < =/ ... Maybe I'm remembering it incorrectly?? (it could happen!)

Gita, the canna you gave me is blooming! :)

Karen--that is the orange Canna from my neighbor--Olga. The one with the fig tree....

BEAUTIFUL PICTURE!!! The roots on this will be massive!
Maybe yours will be smaller--as yours just bloomed....just warning you!

She just got back from 3 months in Spain. Haven't had a chance to go over
and chat--too busy with the reunion and work and garden and watering every day.
Feeling a bit guilty..

I have these growing too--they came up very late. only had one small bloom...
Some of them haven't even set bud yet....The roots were not the biggest or the greatest.
Olga let all her's rot--and I did not have any big ones saved....so--these are a bit behind...

She is NOT a gardener--and very impetuous with doing things...All--or none as needed...

Gita

Same with my Canna, Gita. The Canna, Limelight Hydrangea, Tuberous Begonias and Dahlias did very poorly for me this year. I thought that I had done something wrong until I went to a party on Sunday and the woman gardener had the same sad results!! My Passiflora vines are just beginning to show signs of blooming!!

When I installed all the "New Rescues" about a month ago, I had to cut many of my annuals waaayyy back to make room (cut back and yank out). Now there's just a 'border" of petunias and verbena along the corner of my little Adirondack garden border, instead of the whole corner FULL... and most of the Alyssum got yanked out as well. The Dahlias are really flourishing, but the biggie is, the verbena have gone from sticks-with-a-few-green-leaves to now fully-flushed-out pink blooms again!! I'm gonna have to get a pic or two 'cause I totally did NOT expect the verbena to make such a come-back like this! The Petunias -- meh! So-so. One of my Dahlias actually put out a couple new blooms for me (and shame on me, I did not get pics!!), but the others are really flushed-out with foliage BIG-TIME!! The mint is super happy... the only one I'm really worried about is the Paeony. That's ok, I'll be patient... will just watch it until next year, see what it does, if anything.

The Peony- ok Paeony you smarty pants- LOL- would not put new foliage out this time of year, pretty sure they make all leaves in spring and thats IT

Got up this AM--and i am freezing....
Hate this kind of early harbinger of colder weather to come!

Yesterday--I applied Systemic granules to every pot I could think of
that will be coming inside. Watered them in well...
Still have to finish re-potting all the rest of my AV's.

I have already cut down all the Peony foliage as it was all covered in Powdery Mildew.
Time for clean-up anyway...
Time to yank out the tired marigolds and cut back some of the newer Salvias,
which are now all done.
Time to rake clean the beds, cut back the foliage on all my Iris, and on my KK Hibiscus
as well--at least about 1/4 of the way down.

I really, really want to dig out my SEM (Stupid Earth Machine) composter.
That is a huge job! It has been 4 years since I did it--can you believe that this thing
in never full?

Sent an e-mail to Scott (at Cylburn) that i am ready for him to come and get the Dr. Seuss.
I will remove one whole stem of it so i can take cuttings...Gotta do that soon.....
Not gonna bother doing cuttings of the other two--(pink NOID and the Maya)
unless someone tells me they really, really want some. The Maya is still small--
not too many cuttings to be had.
Have 4 other people wanting the Dr. Seuss--including some for myself.
I forgot WHO asked me for some???? Let me know, please...

OK! have to work today--1-5. Time to get organized.....G.

My Braz. Plume that I cut back to share, has re-grown fully and has a bloom at the top.

45 degrees to start the day here.
I will have my own Dr Seuss to save, and a fairly healthy small Maya. I have another Maya but its been covered in mites most of the summer, so I'm thinking it better stay out and freeze.

My Braz plume cutting looks super happy.

Sally -- heeheeheee, You say Peony, I say Paeony, LOL!! Thank you for that tip, I didn't know what to expect. Before I installed it, I'd already cut EVERYTHING back from it, so all that's left are 4(?) "trunks", about 8" tall. They're still reddish, so I guess that's a good sign..?? Any way I can test to see if it's doing ok? I've done the 'scratch test' to see what it looks like under the bark -- pale green, so I guess that's ok too. Can I do the 'tug test' to check its rooting? It sure doesn't look dead! =)

Speedie, I say patience is a virtue! I'm no expert, Sally probably knows better. I don't remember when the plants start getting their red "eyes" for next year but I wouldn't mess with the plant except to brush back the soil to look for those. They should be just below the soil surface so it shouldn't disturb the roots to do that. It's been a few years since I transplanted mine, but at the time mine were already well established.

I've never actually bought a peo... paeo... whatever-you-call-it. :)

My own peo--paeo is looking a bit peaked. It was left over from the previous owner. She planted it under the red bud and I think as the redbud grew over the years, the peony has gotten less and less sun, and more and more roots to compete with. Or maybe it's just getting old. ;-) Its flowering this spring was fairly tepid and it just looks off somehow.

Where would I look for 'red eyes'?

Catmint -- I'm not a peony expert, but I recall that they like a lot of fertilizer. Is it possible you just need to fertilize it? Unless it is a tree peony, you should cut it to the ground and dispose of the cuttings to avoid spreading disease.

Sally--

Don't give up on your mite-infestedd Maya!
I would cut it back to just stems--getting rid of all the foliage.
That's where Mites are anyway--right?

Then--dig it up--wash off all the soil--bring it in--give it a good soapy bath--
and re-pot it for the winter. I would imagine that, after this, it should be good as new.

Cat--
The 'red things" on Peonies are called "pips" or "eyes". Each "pip" is where a new stem
will grow from next year. I am not sure if they all form this early??? More like
they form in early spring---but am not sure on this.
If you want to check on them--I would take a hose and put a sharp-spraying nozzle on it
and wash off all the soil from the surface to see.
As a rule--Peonies do not like being moved, but in your case, I would go for it.

Peonies have long, fat roots--try not to break too many!
Re-plant the Peony in fresh soil, in full sun, making sure that the "pips" are
NO DEEPERD THAN1"-2" UNDER THE SOIL!!!!! Or--it won't bloom too well.
Peonies like a rich soil--compost--some manure, some bulb food etc...

You will have to be patient while it re-establishes itself and, probably, not see any
blooms for the first couple of years. But--all will be well, eventually.

http://www.ask.com/youtube?q=when+to+plant+peonies&author=eHow&v=Jjeck7UWnFQ

http://peonyparadise.com/plantingandcare.aspx

Peonies can live, happily, for a 100 years....
Gita

my oldest peony

To supplement what Gita says, here's a picture:
http://4irises.com/graphics/PeonyRoots1.jpg

I'm planning to move some peonies this fall too. Just waiting for cooler weather. It's so easy to do!

Karen--

That link did not open.
I got this message????

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Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /graphics/PeonyRoots1.jpg on this server.

Whass up? Gita

hmm that's weird, worked for me. sorry!
it's the little cartoon near the bottom of this page:
http://4peonies.com/PeonyInformation.html

Karen--
The link you just posted worked. I read the whole thing!
Nice info---

My Peonies are quite root-bound....they been in their spots for ages.
Nothing I can do.....G.

Yes GIta I WILL wash that Maya, after a good haircut. You're right- it would take off with new growth, under my yet-to-be-determined light shelf......

This area may be marginally-cold-enough for some peonies to bloom well. As Gita wrote, have NO more than and probably LESS THAN 2 inches soil on top of those eyes. THey need to chill to bloom well. Peonies do great north of here.
I find/hear they are actually pretty tough for moving,- give them good soil, not too deep, fairly sunny, and they should respond nicely. The eyes are the bumps on the top side of the roots- this time of year maybe look for the joint where stems come out, as opposed to the bumpy eyes of early spring