John - here's the response from my rose friend regarding Iceberg:
Iceberg is a grafted rose, NOT an "own root" rose. (Climber as well as bush form.)
If one or the other of his was started from a cutting, that's probably why it's not as vigorous as he'd like. Some roses just don't do well on their own roots, that's why they've been grafting them for eons. Many of the ORR's take a lot longer to get established.
Clematis chat for 2012 - Happy New Year!
Arlene
Interesting..... my cl Iceberg though was purchased. I am wondering when it is going to fill out. Does it take some time to acclimate? Both Cl. Icebergs have been in for a couple of years, although they were 'sticks' when I put them in. They were freebies - my ND from Pickering were far larger when I put them in, but I did purchase those and I do know that ND has a reputation for being a monster.
Carolyn - mainly I just kill whatever roses the deer allow to grow so I'm of no help to you. Maybe someone on the rose forum could help you regarding when it will fill out.
And as far as what class Iceberg falls in, it's a floribunda and the climber is a sport of Iceberg (floribunda, Kordes 1958)
Thanks Sue
Do you have a picture of Iceberg from your garden that we can take a look at ?
I am in love with that Autumn Sunset rose, I found a few places to buy, but they selling it as bare roots. Is that exceptable or should I wait for a local rose seller to buy a container rose. I just love that color, and I think I can build a trellis over my mail box, morning sun, shade after 3pm, that should be good for this hot area.
Bare root is fine, Etelka. Buy it before you lose out by waiting to find it container grown and can't locate it. Check Garden Watchdog to find the best companies that sell it.
I was looking at the market place,and I have to ask this question. What do they mean when they say trade gallon size?
I have been looking to some of the places was listed, but I have found Chamblee's rose Nursery farom Tyler Tx, and they have container roses, it is only 8.95, I guess you pay more for shipping. I think for that price I will order two of them and make a arch trellis over my mailbox and plant the clematis some place else. Thanks, Etelka
Marie - it's short of the exact size of a gallon but a typical nursery "trade gallon" size.
Sounds good, Etelka! Look for another one or two others to make it worth the shipping.
Thanks, Pirl. I need garden terminology for the Dummie...lol
We all have to learn somewhere, Marie, and there's no better place than right here at DG.
Sorry timeinabottle, I have never grown Iceberg myself. These are the roses I have, as you can see, I favor certain colors and the purple and blue clematis should look particularly good with these roses shades.
http://davesgarden.com/community/journals/vbc/Calif_Sue/55027/name2/
I have several Kordes roses including Westerland and of course Autumn Sunset. I also have Kordes Perfecta which was probably my favorite when I was a boy. As we have discussed here roses are particularly a problem for most of us. I just dug out Kordes rose Robusta as it was as they say a blackspot magnent. Sue, do you live in a low humidity area? Is blackspot much of a problem for you?
Robin...Yes just love the veronicas, they are probably one of my most favorite plants. The bloom time is the whole season for me (have to deadhead but worth it). Another veronica look-a-like is Veronicastrum virginicum is from48-60", comes in white, pink and blue (same as veronicas). Yup, love those tall flowers, great for making country cottage bouquets.
Cem.... Got all sorts of goodies that I love growing, just check how well they might grow for you low-landers, (lol). Some of my favs.: the veronica family; salvia nemerosa, blue white or pink at 28"; Just saw one not often mentioned Erumerus (foxtail lily), wished they bloomed longer but still shows for about 4 weeksish, a new fav is Scabiosa ocular, yellow 24-30" and blooms all season, Centaureas...gosh so many...montana, phyggria, dealbata, imperials, macrocephalla, got a new montana last fall ( a dark blue, so now I have white, 2 shades of blue and still wanting the pink form; Daisies are the best for all season bloom; coreopsis, such bright little blooms again all season with light reseeding, I have 2 )one at 12-16 and the other at 18-24"; Delphnium the butterfly series, pink white or blue all season at 12-18" and lightly reseeds; Geranium either Johnson blue or Rozanne ( both bloom all season but Roz. more prolithic); Dianthus (just any and all of the carnation family and its many relative, my fav tho is D. X Loveliness (all season bloom and fragrance); gosh and snapdragons (tall rockets) again all season; Campanulas (all season glom rata and persicifolia; catanche carulea blue or white all season, 18"; gypsophila paniculata, or repens (all season for me); yarrow especially The Pearl, white 12-18 all season; and of course lavendula. Those are a few that give such great long season blooms with deadheading. For those unfamiliar with that practice it cutting for bouquets or fading blooms, and the trick is cut close to the ground (1-2"), this also allows for further branching making the plant appear fuller. Remember every cut produces 2 new blooming branches add that up over a summer and you get tons of blooms, so one branch cut back over the summer gets 2 new, those cut back get 2 more new and those get two more, sooo the original stem might give upwards of 8-10 blooms (example daisies) and all the time the mother plant is putting up new stems thru the season. Very few plants do I ever give a buzz cut to, usually a few stems here and a few days later a few more. It just helps to hide that deadheading is being done and the plant still has color. Sorry if you knew that, might be a bit of help for those that don't tho, we were ll beginners at one time , lol. Kathy
I bought last year on the destressed table 6 or 8 Veronicas, name is My first Love, it bloomed till frost, I hope it will came back taller and better next Spring.
Wow wwk, thanks for all of that great informtion. I have some of the plants you mentioned, some of the others I've never heard of, LOL. Guess I'll be spending some of the cold winter days looking them up in the DG plant files.
BTW pirl, I forgot to say your pic posted with the lobster roll has me drooling. It looks delish!!!! Annette
Pirl I bought a PH meter today , it was in the discount bin, does the marker always stay in the alkaline area when not in use? Mine stays on that black line between alkaline and acid. So far everywhere I put it in the ground it said alkaline.
Kathy, someone gave me a white veronicacastrum last summer....it did have a few blooms on it...nice for the back of the garden....
Good luck with your pink veronica, Etelka. I've tried different veronica cultivars and they never return for me.
Annette - the hours fly by while looking up plants new to us and don't forget to check Plant Files for the experiences of others who live in your area. We love our lobster rolls. Out of desperation I made shrimp rolls last Friday but they're no match for the real thing.
Marie - the needle stays in the same spot (center) on a pH meter...or those I've owned anyway. On a combination pH & moisture meter it stays to the right. I got this one for $7.95 at Home Depot last November. Generally I get a neutral reading though the Japanese iris gardens read more acid. Very few spots read alkaline - most read neutral.
Mine was 2.00,but is just the ph meter. but what you are saying is what it does. I will check again in more warmer weather, it was just too dang cold out today to really look good.
You got a great deal, Marie. Test it on something you're positive of - like really acid spots or just the opposite. Way too cold out here as well. I took a quick look outside to see if I could fit more deer food (roses) in the rose garden and came back inside fast.
I wasn't looking for a meter that supposedly does everything but it was the only one (and the last one) they had.
timeinabottle, I am newly moved to this property 9 months ago north of San Francisco, we are 20 minutes from the coast and get a little more humidity than where I lived before, not anything I usually even notice though, nothing like most do back east. Many of my roses got black spot toward the end of summer, if they do so early in the season and general look bad most of the time, they may have to go. I had one that had black spot and horrible rust all summer, it was finally dumped.
Oh robin wait til it fills out and grows to full height and I hope you like tall plants. I seem to remember they don't bloom as long as veronicas, but maybe a full month or more. How 'd yours do? I just got new ones late last summer, (pink and white), had blue and white the first time I grew it more than 10 years ago. Still need to find a blue one, I moved but forgot to move them with me.
Kiseta... Isn't the pink lovely, it does look its best when the blooms just about half open. What's the height of yours? I just love how they bloom and bloom and bloom.
Pix is Diamthus Bath's Pinks. Dracocephalum imberbe or moldavicum, Salvia n. (blue/purple), Daisy Becky and Gypsophila paniculata at 4 ft..
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Kathy, on the sticker of the Veronica First Love, it said it will be 18" high, which is shorter then the avarage Veronica. I have some blue ones and thay about 24" tall. Etelka
Kathy and MArie your garden pictures make me wish I lived somewhere else!! So green and colorful!!
They are lovely photos! My veronicastrum bloomed for a few weeks, but it was transplanted late, & I was surprised that it bloomed.....today is the first day I have a snow cover......the ground was bare during our nights of single digits....I'm worried about a lot of perennials.....and of course, my clems!
Snow is nature's blanket so no need to worry, Marilyn.
I'm happy the snow will protect, but most has washed away already :>(
Calif _Sue
We fight blackspot all season long. A rosarian advised me not to spray during hot weather as the damage is worse than the blackspot. I did that last year and the blackspot was terrible. This year I will spray once a week with alternating sprays and if I don't have decent roses .I'm going to throw them out.
John
John - could you grow something tall in front of them to block the blackspot on the leaves or are you talking about climbers?
I used to strip off all the leaves and put them in the trash - not compost. They'd rebound with fresh new leaves in a week.
What exactly is blackspot?
It's a fungal disease that appears as round, black spots on the leaves of rose plants.
http://www.rosemagazine.com/articles02/pages/blackspot.asp
Hi am trying to find out some information. I was a member in here for a long time but two years ago went through a divorce had to leave my beautiful gardens in Ohio and I moved here to North Carolina in an apartment. I so long to get my hands in dirt I have a lot of house plants but not the same. I use to have so many clematis and I am wanting to buy me some but I will have to grown them in big pots. I have been looking on line and finding some that you can grown in pots so I think I will give it a try. My question is can I bring them in in the winter months, it stays pretty warm here but in the winter it can get in the 20's this is my first winter here. Thanks in advance for any help.
Breeze
Sue thanks for that link. I think that is not an issue here since we are so dry but that was an interesting article.
Breeze I wish I could answer your question but I do not grow any in pots right now. I am sure someone will chime in soon.
I have 4 clems in 2 pots that are spending their second winter outside. Last year, we had a pretty "harsh" winter and they did fine. I wanted to get them planted this past fall but I'm still trying to find a place to put them so they are in the pots again this winter. This is shaping up to be a much milder winter though.....SO FAR.....kim
Sbreeze - glad to have you back on DG. The clematis will do fine in pots and can easily live outside over the winter. I doubt they'd look upon it as a favor if you brought them inside for winter.
Check out these:
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/187814/ Bijou
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/187815/ Filigree
There are many others that would not grow out of sight. Have fun looking.
http://www.gardenvines.com/shop/large-flowered-clematis-3/
So what is everyone ordering this year? So far I have
aromatica
heracleifolia 'China Purple'
'Kahori no Kimi'
'Oborozukiyo' (Chikuma)
'Shizuku'
Andromeda
Kaen
Little Mermaid
Josies Midnight Blue
Clematis Cezanne
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I'm still resisting looking for fear I'll find some I have to buy.
Thanks so much for the information I feel a lot better now.