1lisac,
The COMMON theme on all those threads seems to be the "2012 Growing Season," and what people are doing now. But, because the threads got split up with that "ONLY" designation, the conversations became fragmented all over the place...
I just don't want to miss any of the conversation, cause they're all relatively pertinent. They're just ALL OVER the place...
Starting FALL GARDENS 2011 in Zone 8 - Part 2
The Swiss Chard I seeded on the edges of my beds is fantastic and very decorative
Quote from 1lisac :
In all the time I've been with DG we never had threads that said "only". I guess it's clear if you read the whole thread but if you read the title many people wouldn't even bother reading the whole thread. Tomatoes are pretty much grown the same no matter where you live, and the zone maps only say how cold an area gets not for how long or when. DG has done fine for years without titles that exclude individuals.[/quote]
I'm not quite clear why you're getting so upset about this. I didn't start the "only" thread, but I can certainly understand why someone who wants specific information on when and how to start tomatoes in their zone might want to attract the attention of gardeners growing tomatoes in the same zone.
FWIW, tomatoes are NOT grown the same everywhere. The season for starting full-sized tomatoes for growing outdoors in the hotter areas of the Deep South is very limited (they don't tend to set in hot weather, and the ones that do are prone to a variety of physiological disorders). The prevalent pests and diseases are different, the soils are different, the available organic amendments are different, the variety selection is different...
And please correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK there is no way to exclude any member from any of the threads. I am "watching" several threads that mainly concern gardens in other areas or plants I can't grow outdoors here.
Quote from 1lisac :If the zones are for "woody plants" then they don't pertain to veggies, anyway. There may be a regional forum for your area, I know there is one for Texas.[/quote]
There is a Florida group, which is dominated by people interested in ornamentals that grow well in the warmer areas of the state, things that are unique to Florida. Asking questions about tomatoes there might get you one or two responses. It makes far more sense to start a specific thread on the "Tomato" or "Vegetable" groups to ask questions about tomatoes or vegetables.
[quote="1lisac"]There is at least one DGer in MN that grows tomatoes on a huge scale, I'm sure he could share information even if he's not at that stage yet.
I certainly hope he does. All he would need to do is go to the Tomato group and start a new topic thread, something like "Large-scale Tomato Growing in MN". It's really very easy. And I would certainly check it out for any information I could apply here. I don't think they would kick you out of a thread on tomato growing in MN.
[quote="1lisac"]The only thing I'm sure about is that I don't want another thread named zone-only.
I am still completely missing your point. Why would you mind if someone is looking for information appropriate to their growing conditions? Why restrict someone's right to ask specific questions?
-Rich
Going back to fun gardening.
My fennel started in September is almost ready to harvest.
Finally I found the correct time of the year I can grow fennel ...
Broccoli keeps producing side shoots
I am harvesting Kohlrabi almost every day ...
Fava bean pods are about 5" long ... weeee
They are ready at least two months in advance
Still a few days before SPRING will be here ... I can really say that my 2011-2012 FALL garden has been a success !
Rich
Ditto the points you made today, and much more nicely said than I ever could.
I'm not the least bit upset. I've got much bigger fish to fry. We have never had "only" on DG and we have never had this much discussion about threads either. I'd much prefer to discuss growing then all this.
I'm not the one who brought it up and I'm not the only one who hasn't liked it. Thanks, I'm off this thread,I want to go where I can learn about growing veggies in a less hostile, and limited environment.
I'm confused as to why I'm the only one that is confronted when Im not the only one who has said this? On the Tomato Forum it was called. "silly" not by me, but neither one of you said anything.
If you want a new thread start a new thread nobody is stopping you.
This message was edited Mar 6, 2012 8:30 PM
1lisac
Where do you see the word "only" in the title of this thread?
I feel like I'm speaking for a lot of people on this thread, GOOD BYE!
This message was edited Mar 6, 2012 8:55 PM
hrp, you don't speak for me. I think the whole thing has become ridiculous, and we should get back to sharing information instead of berating anyone.
This is truly a tragedy.
In case we ALL haven't noticed, we lost a LOT of DGers two years ago when Dave left a sea of divided camps here.
Since that time, I have missed a LOT of those who left. A huge void was created. Camaraderies were broken. Valuable input and feedback was diverted elsewhere. I have yet to figure out where all those people who left this website went off to.
And it was over fractures like what is going on now...
I would ask that whether or not we agree or disagree at all, that we consider the impact on the larger body before we post our "God-given right to speak." I'm in no way challenging anyone's right to say whatever they want to on these posts. I'm just asking that you consider the potential consequences when you do...
There are those here who take the negative and the positive with a grain of salt. I'm one of them. There has been only one time something was said directly to me that made me strongly consider leaving Dave's Garden. But, I took a time out to consider what the consequence of my leaving would mean to me, and to others who, for some reason unknown to me, feel that I know what I'm talking about! LOL! In any event, I chose to stay -- for the value that belonging here brings to my goal of becoming the best gardener I can be, and for what I have to offer to others.
There have been times I myself have posted and someone has taken issue with my comments. And, because my intent has always been to help and not to harm, and because I wouldn't want someone to leave because of some misunderstanding of my intent, I spoke with these individuals offline and worked it out so we were all good to come back and play in the garden again. And, yeah, people DO apologize offline, to make things right....
But, there are also those here who are sensitive to the sometimes negative tones and undertones conveyed. And, some of them chose to leave -- and they don't come back....
I don't like when people leave....
Linda
And some watch the exclusion of these threads and the sniping and simply chose not to participate which is a major loss to everyone.
Well said Linda. I too remember those days and also miss the good information and camaraderie.
As the group of participants whittles down, it reminds me of the statement ~ 'and then there was one'.
My fall garden needs to come to an end ... but it still going
KOHLRABI forming a nice ball ...
SWISS CHARD is growing on the bottom of the flowers beds .. so beautiful and so delish ...
I had a very successful Fennel season
My KALE are starting to bolt ... finally ... I need room for my summer veggies
LOVE to see the cactus in the midst of your veggies!