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Hi first everyone's pic's are amazing! I am looking for a source to buy Stictocardia species seed I have googled this come up with nothing I am growing Hawaiian sunset now would like to get a few more going ,and check out the others anyone have any info on these I would greatly appreciate any info you have to offer. Thanks...Dana

Dana - Welcome! You should check with FLChilders. He's a collector of Stictocardia species, too! He also lives in Florida.

Here is a thread you might find interesting: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/975540/

Thanks so much for this are you praying for rain like me? This is terrible I will check this out thanks..Dana Thanks read that mine did not have crystals or black kept it in my unheated plant room it hit 20's a few times it did bloom but lost alot of blooms. Just a few made it but where distorted

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Dana - The past few days it has developed what looked like rain clouds and lightning at night. But still no rain here either. (sigh) My plants would sure love some rain water vs. well water.

Your photo above looks like a lovely bloom. Was it taken during the winter or recently? I just transplanted my starter vine outside, so I hope it does well. I have mine growing in a container.

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Becky that ones in a container i don't recomend growing in a container Mines in a 3 gallon. Every day I have to give it a gallon of water. The others in the ground, seedling from this Sping. I have seen pic's were the leaves get super sized when its in the ground. The seedlings 5 ft now still growing no buds but the older ones got 3-4 buds on every leaf distance. I would like to do a whole fence in this just love that color combo. They say no rain all week and maybe the weekend , but they said that last weekend too. We have not had any rain in over 3 weeks i am tired of watering even my fruit trees are curling. ok I guess I have to do the rain dance lol

Dana - I would be afraid to plant mine in the ground here because I have knot root nematodes that seem to kill everything. I have my vine growing in a 5 gallon self-watering bucket right now and it's in shade half the day and and full sun the rest. So far it is doing well.

I grew mine indoors under lights over the winter. Mine was started from seed last September. It bloomed over the winter for me.

I had it growing in a 32 oz. styrofoam cup until recently. LOL!

What kind of soil do you have when I first moved here it was hard pan clay. I have been here 25 yrs lots of worms later its not that bad. When we get rain any thing over 8 inches straight it gets wet in spots. I hate we go from no rain to way to much. With the bay waters already to 85 going to be a storm year for us I'm afraid. I think I need to go to 5 gallon pot on mine. Everyday its thirsty yours is very pretty, looks diiferent from mine. More water hogs lol

Dana - I hear ya about the storms possible this year. The warmer water may put us in harm's way, but I sure hope not!

I just use regular potting mix and water every other day. There is a 1 gallon reserve at the bottom of my 5 gallon buckets but that evaporates within a 2 day period (or gets used up quickly by the plant ... or both). The vine bloomed indoors for me though, not outside.

Beautiful brugs. Is that photo recent? If so, I am impressed how lush and green everything is!

LOL its called foliar spray and chicken manure lol These things suck it up. Last couple years I have went crazy with the brugs have alot of seedlings too. Before that it was plumeria I am unloading alot this year or trying i figure we are going to get slammed. Last year at Christmas I left for 2 weeks to go home and it frooze here. I had all the plants put up but no one here to run the heat. I had alot of damage. A storm that broke tree limbs. one went right thru one of my green houses roof i could have cried . I am getting tired of being a slave with the water. Heres a brug seedling I grew out there alot of fun, love the scents. Wish I had gotten better pic's but it will bloom again this is a triple these are the water hogs!

Very pretty Brugs

I hear ya about being a slave to watering. Smaller is certainly easier. But I have to have this plant or that plant ... even if it is grown from seeds. LOL!

Pretty brug bloom color. I grew several from seeds I crossed and shared a bunch with others. Many got plants from them too! It's amazing how fast they grow! I love the scent too! :-)

Heres another seedling its exciting when you grow anything from seed I am a seed freak i ordered 500 plumeria seed twice lol planted every one of them. Plus what I all ready had my interests are all over too from vines to voodoo lilys . Biggest thing with me is the fragrance this year going for the ylang ylangs. Have a few seedlings don't know if I will live long enought to ever see them bloom lol

Thanks Becky.

Dana, I am always trolling for stictocardia seeds. I find that I get little expertise in identifying the species. The best source is Silverhhill seeds, when they have them.
B & T World seeds is another, but they rely taxonomically on the collecter who forwards the seeds to them. Growing stictocardia from seed is an adventure.

Stictocardia tiliafolia seems hard to come by, but mostly because of the USDA. Added to the adventure is the confusion, that the technical descriptions say it has large pinkish to lavender flowers. This is in conflict with the pictures in the plant files, and other places in cyber space. There are several species with the red to orange flowers with the yellow stripes on the base. Campanulata Berevensis Maculosoi

A few years ago a source in Thailand popped up. A number of us here bought some of the seeds. We all compared notes and guessed it to be Berevensis, but I think that name is in some doubt.

The good people here that have had good luck growing them from seed, sometimes forget to use the specie name or mention the seed source. That additional information
is sometimes quite important to the readers here. Frank

Thanks Frank for the info now I can dig! Lets see what i come up with :)

Dana - 500 plumeria seed??? Too funny! You seem to have a great green thumb! I like seeds too! Good luck digging up info for more Stictocardia species seed. :-)

You left out the best part did it twice lol Yes on the hunt now thats half the fun and the other half is growing what you are after!

Hey Dana!!
I got my seed from the UK, Ray, he was very generous, I did lose the first plants because I left them outdoors all winter, but the one I started this season has two stems, very short plant though. I had to use the sticky traps for some white fly here indoors. I noticed that someone on the market place had some seeds for sale though.

A.

My macalusoi is coming back to life and vines are starting to shoot out of the various conjested, compressed stem places. I also see lots of little round things above each old leaf scar. It sure would be nice if they turn out to be flower buds. It is 4 years old now, and still hasn't bloomed.

The swollen stem parts are up to about 4 inches long, and are curious. I don't know if they are abnormal, or normal. They are reminiscent of grapes and wisteria, where the flower buds, ( if that is what they are), form at the base of a long vine, and then bloom there the next season. I am going to have to get out my camera and, dust it off.

Years ago when I was growing grapes, I would have to count five joints out from the base of the vine, and cut there, after the leaves had fallen. The following may or june , the blooms would form on these first 4 or 5 eyes. That is where they would bloom, even if they had NOT been pruned. The pruning gave me clusters of nice large grapes, and beautiful clusters. The fragrance of Welches grape juice would fill the yard in late Sept.

Over the years, I have noticed that other perreniel vines, follow this same pattern. Now I am beginning to think that S.macalusoi follows this pattern too, and must be sexually mature before it will bloom. This would explain why we get so little feed back
on the macalusoi specie.
when the grapes

I was looking at this one today company in Africa lol Trying to find a pic of it King candy looks very good theres a seller in australia hers looks like it super nice red she says its a stictocardia beraviensis either that she has color adhanced the color Heres Tilifolia the petals are long and pointed, Frank 4 yrs and no flower i would have loaded it up with banana peels! I read some where after 2 yrs the vine dies maybe it was something else.

Dana, it is jumping out of its sox now. Macalusoi !
sprouts comimg out of those swelled nodes, and the nodes all have round spots above their leaf scars. I am pouring the bloom fertilizer to it and hope that makes it go to bloom.
I am hoping they (the 4 air layered cups) have rooted. At least one cup has a sprout coming up out of it. I am ready to foliage feed it with a bloom, liquid fertilizer, to get more bloom nutrients into the plant. TTYL

Throw the banana peels to it lol very good! Have you tryed rock wool for rooting I am going to soon I think it will work well.

I got seeds from Africa, the maculosi sure look different than the stictocardia. Do either of you have photos of the seeds?

Here is a pic I tracked down. It is a pic I posted for Colin when he asked the same question. http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6196448

These are Stictocardia macalusoi seeds from Silverhill Seeds. There is another source nearby Silverhill, selling seeds for the same specie, on " Bid or Buy", Africa's Ebay. I don't know if the two of them share the same source, or even if they are truely the same exact specie. It would be nice to be able to get S.macalusoi seeds from two separate places, in case they turn out to be self infertile.

I emailed back and forth a few times with Rachel, at Silverhill, about the source of their seeds. She told me that they got them from Kenya, because they are popular ornamentals all over Africa. But then, so are S. bereviensis, S.campanulata. And S. tiliifolia is listed as native to South Africa. She also said that there were Stictocardia species, they just walk past on their collecting trips. . I am hoping to get some of them in the future too.

On one of the links I posted 2 months ago or so, there was discussion of most of the seeds sold as S. bereviensis, actually turning out to be campanulata. That may be the reason that campanulata is conspicuously absent from seed offerings, where it ought to be showing up at the same time as the other species. Frank

I have to re-check mine, but I think mine were completely yellow, which surprised me, but, I want to double check, so bear with me for a few days.

No, I just checked my stash and it was I. jaegeri that I have, a golden yellow colored seed. I have Stictocardia mojanensis seed which is also a very unique looking seed.

I can just imange what you have in that stash ! lol

The S.macalusoi seeds I got from Silverhill, are the largest of all the Stictocardia seeds, that I have bought. Next biggest are the S.tiliifolia from Herbalistics, these seeds are black . Next biggest are S.bereviensis, and I think that the variation in sizes that I have seen is mostly due to incorrect labeling of S.campanulata. I suspect that campanulata is the smaller of those mentioned above. With the exception of S.tiliifolia being black as mentioned, all the others are a dull peanbutter color, whatever the size

In 5 years, I have not seen S.campanulata seeds offered for sale, nor have I knowingly bought any. I suspect that those seeds, labled purpurea with a red and yellow flower, for sale from Thailand, could be S. campanulata. I am having second thoughts about what it IS, based only on the small seed size. I have plenty of these seeds to share if you are interested Gourd.

There is one telltale characteristic of campanulata, that could be the proof of the pudding for that specie, if it were sold under the wrong name. Campanulata is supposedly a synonym for S.umbellifera. The flowers appear as a chain of clusters, where a dozen consecutive leaf nodes will have clusters of buds of various stages of developement. I have counted 16 buds in a single cluster, of course with smaller flowers than bereviensis.

When we get some reports from some people growing Stictocardia species in the ground year round, in Florida, we will be able to get some real information on what they grow like. Frank

yours flowering are Lovely Dana...
I'd love to see any flower on mine here...
SO...I have a question... I'm growing out two types of them... one I got from a FL grower offf e-bay...buy it now.. it's simlar to my other one and just like one I grew a year or two ago..
Seeds were started last winter.. now the vine s about 8' long.. no flowers yet though

OK... the other is ones I got from Jaques-Jaques here ... he's a botanist on Reunon IIsland... I started hs seeds off this winter also... but up to now... it's not sending out any vnes at all... just making a few big leaves... I grew out other s a year or so ago from hs seeds... and they vined up nicely up to about 10 ft where they caught a horzontal string and went across... this year nothing of the sort.... yast years vines never flowered... and t got to be cold so they were brought inside... not to light ... but the dark of the cool room and hopeful dormancy... but they ddn't make the transition alve... and never woke up... so this is big leaves...

so what's my problem... they are both doing ncely... just a question... why no vines.. and has anyone run into this before
Pic.. new pond fogger... better than no pic at all

GordonHawk,
The one I got from Jaques-Jaques is doing the same thing as yours. Large leaves and I'm battling white fly here too.

Dana, my stash is just a stash, lol..

PS here. I think that the ones I got from the UK came from Jaques because they were growing the in the same fashion.

Gordon, good to see you back. I have a 4 year old S.macalusoi in a south facing window, and it is vining out good right now. This coincides, with clear skies and real summer sunshine, and plenty of water and fertilizer. These stictocardias seem to put out a years growth, all in a week or two weeks time, and then sit for a long time. I have read that when the night temps drop below 50, in the fall, they drop their leaves and then bloom.

Also, most of the Stictocardias are perrenial and may not bloom the first year. Also, guessing that since they are native to tropics, they may never go dormant like plants we are used to.

Both Becky and Colin started seeds of bereviensis, and bloomed them within 6 months.
Beckys bloomed inside under lights. I have read that bereviensis is and annual, but don't know for a fact. If it is, that would explain why it blooms so soon, and the others seem to take forever. It really gets confusing when we don't mention which specie we are writing about. lol We really don't know for a fact how long it takes the perrenial species to bloom.

That S.mojangensis, mentioned by Gourd above, is said to produce clusters of pink flowers, after the leaves fall off. Frank

Fascinating this is all new to me Gordon your ponds cool! Gourd thats what I was talking about all the neat seeds from all over lol. This is all a learning experience for me a neat one so I sit back and try to take it all in

Hey Dana,

It is really mind boggling to know that there are sooooooo many types of Morning Glory species. And some are impossible to obtain seeds from too. Take a look at the plantfiles and you can see how many there are listed there and I think B&T seeds also has a listing of ipomoea and convolvulacea species... then you have the hundreds of I. nils.. so much information to retain. Have you seen Dr. Yoneda's site? I'll see if I find the link to it. I think it is listed in the FAQs sticky up there. You can get a ton of good information in the sticky.