Caj, It's also called 3-Nitro
The Junebugs are Junin' on the June homestead
Thanks. Going to google it. I guess it might be on the ingredients list?
Light rain here.
Do you all forget about pigs running in cornstalk fields with beef animals. What do you think they are eating ? How about chickens running around the yard. They just love picking through cow pies or other discards.
I worked in a feed mill for years. Never heard of such a thing as putting manure in feed. They used to use meat scrapes, but that was always processed to make it bacteria free. I don't know if they use that now.
Feed tag must show all ingredients. Starting with the main thing & so forth, just like the label on food you eat.
Lot more scarey stuff in human food than animal feed!
Yeah, like human food that is from animals raised on contaminated or hazardous animal feed.
You lost me, CG. Who was talking about putting MANURE in the feed?
Finally got pictures of my beets since it stopped raining one whole day. Lol. But the subject has moved on 20 times already. Lol. Crazy weather here. 50° overnight 60° and rainy then 80° last week almost 90° hot and humid. The corn looks good. Haven't been up to see the 2 acres of pumpkins yet but my fingers are crossed for a good harvest. :)
I guess I mis read a line in Darius post a few back. Sorry. I was talking about all the chemicals added to human food, not what is fed to animals & poultry.
OK. Thought I missed something. Not unusual for me. :)
No, you didn't miss anything Caj. One of the articles I read said poultry litter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poultry_litter) is often added to bovine feed. It's almost impossible for chicken litter to be free of chicken poop.
Cajun= Hugs= Sorry you lost friends.
Sounds like everyone is living life well.
My life is too busy to list all.
Eating garden okra, tomatoes, onions, corn, dill, cukes, radishes, potatoes, eggplant, peppers.
Speaking of peppers. The darn bull got out again yesterday and found my pepper plants and
had a feast. I want to shoot him sooooooooo badly. We take the bull off medicated feed this week.
Exactly how would You=Yourself fatten up a bull prior to butchering?
I thought about buying extra feed, extra hay , and penning him up at the barn for several weeks but I don't
know how much I should feed him if he's not grazing on grass.
I am somewhat aggravated cause the neighbors horse keeps tromping down the fence and that's how the bull
gets out into the horse pasture then he pushes his way out of the two strands of electrical fence that has no electricity.
Uggg.(horse pasture belongs to me but neighbors use it) cheaper than bush hogging all the time......
I love hydrangeas. One of my favorite flowers. I want to make a bed of hydrangeas in front of my new office. The ground is hard as a rock(clay and rocks) It will take a lot of work to get the ground ready. I have all fall, winter, and spring to get it ready.. Then I want Hosta in front of the hydrangeas.....
Never put a $10 plant in a $1 dollar hole. Put a $1 plant in a $10 hole.
Happy Gardening and Farming
later.
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Cute pic, Cajun! I find it hard to believe those two stay in a contemplative stance for too long ;0) My daughter is off to school, just when I got used to not having a house full of her friends. My sons now want friends over all the time. Such a different energy with lots of boys around, one that requires lots of fuel! lol
I don't think anything they put in large scale farm feeds would surprise me anymore..
Sorry Cricket, everything I research is in terms of grass finishing. I'll send a d-mail to Patrob. I'll bet they would know how to handle him. How many days till butchering?
Lynea, how many cows do you have? How many milkers?
$10 hole $1 plant! Love it. I have the same kind of soil and lots of Hydrangea cuttings started. They were shared with me, hopefully I'll be ready to do the same next year. :D so when you're ready let me know!!!! "life's a garden...dig it!'-Joe dirt
Late bloomer notice here....my catalpa is lookin lovely. :)
Lynea asked me how we finish a bull for slaughter, but we don't feed our own cattle for slaughter. Feed is just too high to make that practical for us. We have, however, fed a bull to put weight on him prior to spring breeding. We give him all the good quality hay he wants and feed him a mixture of flaked or rolled corn and all-stock feed. Our grown bull can easily put away 100 pounds of grain daily and be looking for more. If the bull has not been on grain, I'd start with ten pounds morning and night to let his digestive system adapt and gradually increase over a few days. Of course, he needs access to salt and mineral too. ---- Patricia
Thank you, Patricia.
Darius, 2 milkers and 2 steers are mine. We lease 100 acres to a coupe that run their beef breeding stock.They bail and help maintain fences and we get a portion of hay for our cows. I can breed the dairy cows to their bulls if I plan it while they're here (they move the cows closer to home, during calving).
So, when I get to talking about how the beef cows and pastures are doing, I have concerns about the beef cows, but they not my cattle. I want to use our own land for my own beef herd, but it's going to take some time. It would also be entirely my doing, dh doesn't like, or trust, any animal with an eyeball bigger then his..lol.. cityboy!
L, I asked because I came across some information about mixing ACV (raw, unfiltered apple cider vinegar like Bragg's) into feed for some amazing benefits. I'll try to find my notes tomorrow, if you are interested. It's something I would do if I had a cow.
Yep, we all need friends who would 'bail' us, LOL. I'm also told we need 12 hugs a day to keep our spinal cords from shriveling!
MsRobin has been conspicuously absent...
I was thinking of her this very day and wondering where she is.
Yesterday a husband and wife customers came up to buy ripe tomatoes. The bull was out again. I could not get to the customers cause the bull thought I had feed. I told the customers that I couldn't get to them cause the bull would charge and butt me with his head and horns. After stressing that point, the man lures the bull to him anyway. OUt of fear I yell= without thinking= You are either dumb or just don't care. The bull got to him and sure enough= started trying to butt him with his horns and the man pushed him off and the bull went for his wife, almost penning her against their truck.
The whole time I am screaming=====I wasn't kidding when I said he would butt you. He finally walked away enough for me to say= Maybe you should come back later. And they gladly left........but didn't come back. sigh. Afraid my first words may have been too offensive.
The bull is in the barn with a small running pen.
Hey Outlaw= I rooted some hydrangeas once. I rooted them in a flat with 36 cells and learned they rooted better if i had a dome over the flat. That was 8 years ago. My mom has the hydrangea that I took the cuttings from and I will be taking cuttings again. The hydrangea is about 25 years old now. Mom is having a hard time keeping it watered due to no rain on her side of town. If I need plants I will surely let you know. I will also be looking for some wild Oak Hydrangeas near by. I use to dig up the Oak Hydrangeas and sell them on E-Bay. That was fun.
Happy Gardening
Darius, I do use Bragg's! I love the stuff. I don't always feed it to the cows, depends on the time of year and things like if they have free choice baking soda available. I've never heard of a cow exploding by mixing the two, but I don't want to find out.lol
I do want to see your notes, I've been trying to figure out if ACV contains a 'live' flora of some sorts. It seems that if it's used as starter for more ACV that would have some sort of live organism, but I can't find the specifics.
I use it as an udder wash as well, everyone else on KFC feels its a waste to use as a cleaner, it's expensive (they use distilled). But my thoughts are, if it contains a live beneficial they can help suppress pathogens until the teats seal after milking. Therefore suppressing chances of mastitis.
I minimize the waste by pouring my washing water/ ACV into a bowl. Depending if I want the cows to have it, I pour into a large bowl in the pasture. It I don't want the cows to have it I put the bowl on the other side of the fence and only the chickens and dogs can get to it.
Oh Heavens, Cricket. I'm glad no one got hurt. I wasn't kidding when I said "I would have taken him out at the first sign of aggression". I sure hope your son gets home soon! I hope the barn will hold him till he does, ya'll please be careful!
I moved 63 loads of manure yesterday and wednesday. Doing more this afternoon, and I hope that will be all for a few weeks. Everything I finally got planted is up and running like gangbusters. The dog rolled on my newly varnished wood rails so I had to take him to the groomers. They could do nothing so he got shaved.A sheltie with no hair, he looks ridiculous. But it's easy to find the ticks on him.
Cricket... what a nightmare! Sorry... hope you get the bull situation in hand soon.
Nik, how big is a 'load' that you moved 63 of them? Bummer to see a totally shorn long-haired dog...
Lynea, it's a long bit about using the combination of iodine and ACV. I thought I had your email address and could just sent it to you (but I don't) as I think most folks wouldn't be interested.
Bragg's IS expensive so I'm doing a trial of making my own, started with just a gallon of fresh raw cider from last fall that I'm hoping has made hard cider over the winter. Time to find where I stored it, and test it! If it is hard cider, it's easy to get ACV from it, and if it works, I'll get several gallons of raw cider this fall to make more. Supposedly Bragg's has live cultures... I know you should be able to use some of it to culture fresh raw apple juice.
http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/how_to_make_apple_cider_vinegar.html
I'll send you my e-mail.
You know the funny thing about having a cow, it made me understand gardening so much more. Fermentation, cow heath and healthy soil are so closely related, more then I ever realized. You have such a firm understanding of soil health that the basics of cow care will be easy.
What made me think of that is...kelp (iodine) can used for cattle minerals..
I looked into making my own ACV last year. Apples are expensive in Texas. I can't exactly remember the math. I think sale apples were 6.00 for 5lbs and they had, buy one, get one free. I missed that sale, but it would have made 8.00 a gallon avc. That's about half of what Bragg's cost. So I really need to watch for another fall sale!
I would have that bull down the road on a truck today!
Now the word is going to get around & you won't have any customers. You had better hope there is not a lawsuit.
I agree completely... understanding soil, and making any kind of ferments intertwine and make all of them easier to manage.
Have you looked at LocalHarvest.org for apples near you?
There's a crab apple I want to grow... Jefferson propagated it at Monticello, and it's famous for good hard cider. Named something like Hawe's Crab I think... or maybe Virginia Crab? I have no idea of the chill hours it takes, though, since it's not a problem for me. I made crab apple butter the first year I was here. Deliciously tart! I haven't found any crab apples since then.
I'm also looking for a late blooming peach since we always get late frosts that kill most peach blossoms here.
I got about a pound and a half of small, tart cherries from the Nanking Cherries I started 3 years ago. The next day the birds got the rest, but that's okay since I planted them to deter birds from other fruits in the garden. I may make a cherry liquer with them.
I just made a gallon batch of elder flower 'champagne', and picked enough flowers for another batch.
Is it fermented like wine?
Well.... Caj, I'm not sure if it actually makes an alcoholic beverage or not. The recipe just says "a fizzy summer drink". It now goes in a cool dark place for 3 weeks, and I've never fermented wine in just 3 weeks.
Be sure to let us know. That sounds interesting.
The manure spreader carries 6 yards per load. I did 80 loads total on the field. Now I need another good rain to water it in before I put any more on there. The new garden is almost 6 inches deep with manure. I am going to turn it all under this week and disc it up real good. Then I am going to lay about that much more on it. Turn it under and pile year old leaves and straw on it. Then just keep it mowed of weeds before they can seed. This winter I am going to lay 2 -3 layers of cardboard on top of it, and more leaves and straw. By next spring anything planted in the new garden should just explode into growth.
Debbie's (not single) brother gave me his incubators this weekend, so I now have enough incubator space to hatch about a gross and 1/2 of chicken eggs at a time. So I am going to build more pens and huts to house more pure bred chickens. I would like to do 5 pure breds and maybe a cross breed like a gold comet or black star. Then we'll see how that goes before we expand any more. So far I have been able to sell everything I hatch.
I finally got tomatoes, peppers, tomatillos,swiss chard, fodder beets, green beans, patty pan squash, zukes, cukes, melons, cabbages, and bussels sprouts, sweet potatoes, a small corn patch and a couple of neck pumpkins in the ground. Not as axtensive a garden as I wanted, but it rained so much I was almost to the point where I wasn't going to plant a garden at all. The big greenhouse up the road said for me to come over on the first of July and she would give me all the peppers, tomatoes, zukes, cukes, and melons I could handle for my truck patch as she will be closing down for the year after that.
I am going to the sawmill today to get 3-4 bundles of slab wood to cut up for this winter. My neighbors are loaning me their haywagon to haul it home with.
All in all, after such a slow start, things are getting to normal finally. I found a HUGE patch of spearmint growing in the back of the place, so Moxitos have become quite popular here at Wolf's Rest Farm, hehehehehehe!!
Slow start? It sounds to me like amazing industry!
Ooo, those cherries look good! That's another fruit tree I miss from west Texas.
Nik, I hurt just thinking about all that work! Planting bussels sprouts and sweet potatoes at the same time is so removed from our way of planting. I guess I should be grateful we can stretch some work out. Happy hatching!
Wow, Nik. You are going full tilt. Sounds great. I wish I had so much energy.
Nothing new happening here. Rained a slow soaking rain for about 5 hours today. Been working in the house. Now I have to get outside.
Oh wow, I could use 5 hours of rain! We got about 1/2" this morning!
I can not stress how badly we needed it. This drought is turning out to be nothing like I've experienced before.
The rain cooled if off enough to get out and finish cleaning up the corn plot. Caused a cow frenzy :0)
Still need to get out and pull up the stupid paste tomatoes. Pulled a bushel of red onions. Will get those cleaned today and probably put some up...fermented and pickled.
With the failed tomatoes and corn done and not as many sweet potatoes as I had planned. There is lots of room left. It's given me an idea...
I'm going to plant all the open space with southern cream peas and take them to the farmers market in September. The sell for about 6.00 a quart locally shelled. Plus this market allows craft items once a month. I've been reupholstering chairs for fun and getting a good response from family and friends telling me I need to sell them.
The extra peas and vines would be great fodder for the winter too. Anyway just thoughts for the morning. Going to see how many chairs I can finish before September. I need to see if I can still get a couple of pounds of seed this time of year as well...that might be the hardest part.
Has anyone e-mailed Robin?..
A few seem to be missing, hopeful vacationing with a tall glass and cool breeze :0)
The peas sound like a great idea!
I like the tall glass and cool breeze idea! We got a 30 second down-pour at 3:30 this morning. First rain since February!
My heart is breaking tonight. I went to the barn to feed and my big, beautiful Shaq was laying dead in the barn. He had somehow fallen, hit his neck on the wall and broke his neck. I was so proud of him and loved him so very much. He was special beyond words. This is a nightmare.
