Two New Ipomoea tricolor Cultivars?

Two new entries have recently shown up in the Plant Files for cultivars of Ipomoea tricolor that I’ve never heard of before. Are one or both of these misidentifications? I suspect “Pink Star” is a seed company error, but I don’t know about “China Star”. Does anybody know for sure?


'Pink Star'


http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/193672/


'China Star'


http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/193411/





Philip



Edited to correct capitalization error in species name

This message was edited Sep 15, 2010 10:50 PM

Philip -

The cultivars mentioned absolutely do not exist as Ipomoea tricolor.

It is unfortunate that some people mess up the PlantFiles with incorrect information
I will 'guess' Pink Star' may have come about by the big T&M advertising a Pink as an Ipomoea tricolor - which absolutely without a doubt does not exist. But they do not care just as many other commercial seed companies do not care. It is simply marketing. The photo they are using is for a different MG 'Candy Pink' [I think that is the correct name], which is an Ipomoea nil . . .
also, no matter what you read about the still missing 'Summer Skies', it still does NOT exist.
Another PlantFile error
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/51635/
Read Ron's explanation at the bottom of the page

Here is a very detailed Thread with information about the only Ipomoea tricolors that exist today
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/955653/?hl=Ron+Summer+Skies

As well as information on other Morning Glory species

Hope this helps

Emma

Thank you Emma for your quick response. Ron wrote to me about Summer Skies in response to comments I made on a thread about a Japanese company offering seeds they claimed were Summer Skies, so I'm aware of the shenanigans involved with claims about Summer Skies. I'm also aware that seed companies are often careless about both species and variety names of morning glories. I had hoped China Star would turn out to be a rediscovered heirloom tricolor, but alas, it's not to be!

The HORRIBLE pictures of "China Star" are made to maintain the mystery.
I am afraid that the cultivar Summer Skies on sale in Japan is the same SS that was for sale on ebay- unfortunately.

Here's a little game: can you put a name on these tricolor?

Dany - That's interesting!! All are tricolors? What are the oned with the flecks/speckles of color?

I recognize Pearly Gates. Blue Star, Flying Saucers and
Heavenly Blue. I'm sure the speckled must be a tri-color also
because it has the yellow eye like the others. Is it Darling?
Just a guess at the name, memory fails me

I have never heard of or seen a speckled Tricolor. I have no idea what those would be, Jackie. Unless they are part of the Flying Saucer bloom pattern spectrum. I've never seen one like that before. But ... of course, this is only my first year growing them! LOL! So what do I know! LOL!

I have been corresponding with the individual who made the entry for Rainbow Flash as I. tricolor. She is someone with high standards, lovely personality, and a love of morning glories that would have made her a tremendous asset to this forum. So, I'm sorry to say she won't be joining us, as on top of everything else, she is carrying a full load of college courses, plus some folks dmailed/emailed her that we were flaming her on this forum and that she would not be welcome here. I don't know and don't want to know who did that, but for the record, this was a terrible mis-interpretation of our efforts to correct PlantFiles, and i'm so sorry this happened.

She was very ill when she made that entry, and never would have made a mistake like that had she been feeling better and had life not in other ways been kicking her around. She has asked admin to remove the photos and entry.

Wishing her well,
karen

This message was edited Sep 18, 2010 1:57 PM

Becky, maybe that is a pattern from Flying Saucers. Dany will hopefully tell
us about this one.

Thank you for playing the game.
This photo contains a LIE.
To draw your attention to the commercial sector that is ready to lie for selling something - fake pictures, fake genus, invention of new names, etc. ....
ex: Pink Candy or Scarlett O'Hara are tricolors.

In 2008 Joseph had been able to send me seeds of Flying Saucer Turquoise sold on ebay(seller don't sell out US).I think Martin has also received. In 2009 the plant is dead before giving flowers (too small container).

But this year in a large container I saw this flower .
The flower is Pearly Gates!
But the spraycan was not in the seed package !
I do not know if Martin had the same result.
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Excuse me Karen
Excuse me Jackie
Excuse me Becky
So the recipe:
You take a white tricolor like Pearly Gates - it's the standard and a sprycan - color is your choice .....to produce speckled or more.
Rem: white Nil or purpurea is also good !

It was a dream !

Excuse you, Dany? Oh no - I say Facilitate You - lol! Encore! (with buckshot, maybe?)

karen

Thank you for taking it like that!
EXOTIC Gift ! (with sound)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMmuUJiqndY&feature=related

Oh grr - I have got to acquire speakers - I'll find a way to listen, Dany - thankx

Dany -

What a neat video

Dany - that was sublime (albeit in silence) - DH loved it too

thank you
karen

Well, Dany ....
That certainly beats out the photo editor program that I thought you might have used to get those speckled tricolor blooms! LOL! I've seen edited photos by sellers, but never known anyone actually spray paint blooms! Too funny!

I can't see the video, but I am sure it is good!

I thought I would share my Flying Saucers photos today. I was wondering what FS would look like crossed with the dark blue Heavenly Blue that I am growing this year. Well guess what? I got a very unusual bloom today that was much darker than any of the blooms before this one!

I absolutely love FS!!!♥♥

And on one of the lighter blooms, I had one with a few darker streaks of deep blue! I want to grow this one indoors, too. Maybe I'll start another seed of this one! It's one I want to study closer!

Oh I love those blooms Becky. So pretty.

Becky, good strong coulours.
I have no seed of tricolor Summer Skies anymore(hum,not the really SS) in the spring I planted all what I had, the seeds mature and others and nothing has sprouted.
Sniff ... Sniff...

Seeking seeds of SS desperately!

Thanks Jackie and Dany!

Dany - If Summer Skies no longer exists, then looks like you won't be getting any seeds as you had hoped. Maybe someone in Japan has them. Have you checked with your Japanese contact about finding them for you?

Personally, I am not sure what the big deal is over Summer Skies. Of all the tricolors, it doesn't do a thing for me! I prefer blooms with a pattern or something more significant than a solid pale color. Is the big hoopla because it may be lost forever? Maybe you should ask Joseph for some Decker Darling seeds to make you feel better. I am sure Joseph would be a pal and share with you! :-)

For me the name does not matter.
What I seek is a clear Heavently blue.
Now only available at this person.
Message 1997- description leaves me perplexed!
http://www.bio.net/mm/plantbio/1997-May/014610.html
But all hope is not lost!
Fran is the person to contact.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/vines/msg0801144724803.html

Dany - There you go! Sounds like Fran sent seeds to Ron. You have two sources for the light blue blooms - Fran and Ron! Maybe we will see some blooms from you next year of this lighter blue one. But be aware ... I never did receive any seeds from Ron when I traded with him, so you might want to wait until you get seeds from him first before you send yours. Just a suggestion.

an update to Rainbow Flash here - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=8103306

I traded with Ron a year ago (seeds of Africa), He is correct and I would say even more generous!
But Fran does not send outside U.S. if she has something. LOL
I like the tri-color but the disadvantage they bloom late and has few seeds reach maturity, but if the climate changes!.

Dany - Consider yourself fortunate as myself and some others had a different experience. I would go ahead and ask him for some of Fran's seeds. Good luck!

Something else I thought of ... if you manage to get immature seed pods on any tricolors you grow, you could cut the vines and put them in water until the seed pods ripen. I am going to try growing some indoors under grow lights over the Fall/Winter months this year. Do you have a greenhouse or possibly a spare room in your home to grow indoors?

This message was edited Sep 19, 2010 9:49 AM

The mutations in Tricolor family arrived by transposon.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-313X.2006.03007.x/abstract
Mr. D. Decker had probably fields like this.

Dany, thank you for posting the above reference to tricolor transposons - very enlightening. Have cross-posted to here -

http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=8123998

karen