One of my lily suppliers is suggesting I get some LOO lilies for pot sales. Chiara, Terni, El Condor, and Santa Rosa. But I was wondering what experience anyone has had with the LOOs. I also see them listed as LLOs. So I'm not positive which they really are, or if there is any difference. (I assume LOO has two oriental parentages, and LLO only has one?) Are they any different to grow than LOs? I've had good luck with Triumphator.
Any experience? Thanks!
LOO lilies
Only familiar with LO, not any of the variations. All of the names you've mentioned are LO's.
I've seen reference to LOO only on a Dutch website in regards to Terni ~
"This white LOO is the first lily originating from a double cross of Oriental lilies mixed with Longiflorum blood."
Then maybe there is nothing different? Do you grow any of them? Are they newer ones? My supplier, Griffin Greenhouses seemed to think they were something newer and special, but maybe not. I was contacting them to purchase some OTs, and they suggested these (in addition to the OTs).
Thanks Moby!
Perhaps the point of LOO is to convey the idea that with a 'double dose' of oriental genes the blooms are more open like an oriental, rather than tubular like longiflorum. Hopefully others will weigh in that are certainly more knowledge than I am.
Yes, LO's are relatively new in the interdivisional section, and are becoming more common in commerce. All of the above named are quite new and you'll probably be very happy with them. They have a wonderful scent between oriental and old-fashion Easter lilies.
El Condor is one of a few that I grow, it is just as lovely as you see in pictures. http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/256386/
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Here is a website for a Dutch Grower where I see the lilies described as LLO . This may be where my broker is getting them from, I hadn't asked, but this site has all the lilies he named on it, so it would make sense.
http://www.vandenbos.nl/index.aspx?Chapterid=7875
http://www.vandenbos.nl/index.aspx?Chapterid=7875
They are also marketed under the names with Sensation in front of the name?
I am familiar with LO lilies. And I know they are newer, but the rep from the broker made it sound like these were newer than that, something different.
So maybe the LLO and the LOO are just further explananations of the types of LO lilies, as you explained in you first sentance, there, Moby, and something I need not be concerned with. Like maybe there's OTT, or OOTs and I know them all as OTs. I'm not knowledgeable about lily breeding.
Thanks for your help.
I wish I could remember where I was reading this now (quite possibly the 1991 yearbook as I seemed to have misplace that volume), but yes, LLO etc. does refer to percentage of parentage, much like they do with arilbred iris. I also remember reading, the case for an LOL versus an LLO, the difference being which is the pod parent and which is the pollen parent, I think, but definitely both had the same parent percentage.
LLO does mean that it was "made" with an LO, backcrossed with a Longiflorum. Similarly, LOO means it was "made" with an LO, backrossed with an oriental. Logic would predict that the former would lean more toward a longiflorum characteristics, and the latter toward an oriental, no revelation there, but depending on the breeder's purpose, it may or may not look like that. For instance with Moby's comment, one might expect an LOO to have a more open flower, but it is not a given. The breeder may have been looking for a fragrance more like an oriental rather than a longiflorum, and floral display was inconsequential, for example.
As for your boker proclaiming the newness of these backcrosses, obviously they have to be somewhat so, and may be much newer. But the categories of LLO/LOL/LOO/OLO are not a new slice of bread, but a particular line of breeding within those categories may be. In addition, these categories are not universally used, and a lily represented as an LO could in fact be any of them.
One could make the assumption that an LLO's growing needs would be bias to the longiflorum, but who knows? An LLO might have the LO parent which was the result of several crossings within the LO gene pool, crossed with a L. longiflorum. When genes are mixed so liberally, you really can't make such generalizations with accuracy. It would be safer to make a cautious generalization that cultural requirements for an LO versus LLO/LOO are the same.
Sensation® is a registered name in the legalese sense, different than the Lily Registry, and has nothing to do with the cultivar name that the Lily Registry records. It(®) gives the originator rights to the word ("Sensation" in this case) in an attempt to retain control of the lily's distribution for a longer period. (Simply registering a cultivar name with the Lily Registry does not afford any rights for such control.)
Thank you! I can always count on you to explain in a way I can understand.
The difference between the LOO, LLO or whatever would mean nothing to me, then, and I will just consider them LOs. And as far as being new, I would assume these are just newer cultivars then--I will check ---since LOO and LLO are not brand new.
I had noticed the people selling them in the US do not refer to the lilies under the Sensation name.
I think I will give some a try then. The price is right, and they do seem to be lovely cultivars.
That they are, and I hope they work well for you.
Lefty, I was just reading someting along the lines of what you say this morning, but I could NEVER have explained it so well. I was categorizing the lilies I just put in and got the LLO designation for Prince's Promise, traded to me by Gemini Sage (the adorable Neal), and when I looked it up, saw what you described, but couldn't possibly say it in English.
Great expertise! Thanks.
Thank you, everyone. Your praises are what helps me really work on posts like that. I try to be as succinct and unambiguous as possible, and believe me, it doesn't come out of my head like that!
Pollyk, I favor LOs strongly b/c they seem to do extremely well in my southern climate. Not very useful info to you in NY, lol. I have purchased Chiara and Santa Rosa for 2010 delivery and looking forward to them. my great success w/ Truimphator is what made me gravitate to the LOs in the first place.
Leftwood thank you so much for that straightforward explanation.
Thanks Vossner. I think since I have had such good luck with Triumphator I will try them too.