Need argument settled what is this?

Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

Ok I have an argument at my house and I need it settled I say its a philodendron, common ordinary houseplant, Maybe even a heart leaf Philodendron, but some one else says its a golden pothos please sttle this for me so the arguing stops!

this is the first pic sorry tell me if you need better ones

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Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

here is picture 2

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Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

and here is picture 3

Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

OOPs helps if I add the picture huh?

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Portage, WI(Zone 5a)

Scinapsus, Devil's Ivy?

Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

If you need better pictures just let me know....but I would really like to find out for sure what the vine taking over my kitchen is...I like it, it propogates easily, but It can get HUGE in a hurry if I don't stay on top of it

Louisville, KY

Your argument may be an ongoing thing. The botanist have yet to ID exactly what species this is and some argue what exactly it is. It only flowers if fully grown up a tree and then the flowers hang down off of the vines. No one has any good photos of this and only a few people seem to have seen it.

I have always considered it a Epipremnum. Your best bet to settle this would be an email to Peter Boyce the leading botanist on this group.

Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

or find a tree and see if I can get it to flower huh? how old or big or long is that...I currently have 17 of these (from propogation)....so unknown viny plant that looks cool growing across my ceiling! LOL I know it gets much larger when placed outside in partial sun, in the house leaves tend to stay small 2 maybe 3 inches long, but outside (I have to dig it up here) They can get upwards of 7 or mire inches long, and the variegation becomes less and more random..some leaves will be some wont. one plant can look like several different together because of the wide variations in leaf coloring on one plant

Keaau, HI

It is Epipremnum pinnatum 'Aureum', Golden Pothos. Yours is the juvenile form of the plant.

It's synonyms are: Epipremnum aureum, Pothos aureus, Rhaphidophora aurea, & Scindapsus aureus.

It is an aggressive weed in Hawai'i.

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Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

figures your weed my houseplant!...well how old do these things get? cause the one is at least 10 years old

Louisville, KY

Well very few times have I seen a mature plant. They are usually over 100 feet tall in a tree or several trees with leaves 1 to 3 feet long. As the plant climbs the leaves become larger and split but once it reaches the top of the tree it starts to produce the small vines again that hang down. These hanging down vines is were most people have reported seeing small flowers they are usually still 30 to 70 feet up in the air. Some theories suggest they bloom only at certain time maybe like bamboo plants. It is hard to say until a flower is examined.

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Keaau, HI

Hi Trina, the plants get enormous and cover huge areas of forest. They will go 100 ft. up trees, and crawl across the ground for long distances. The leaves may get old and die, but the colony just gets bigger and bigger.
The mature leaves will be over 3 feet long and have pinnate divisions. The flowers are stalked with several erect boat shaped hooded spathes about 9 inches long with spadix that are about 6.5 inches long. As they wither they will fall.

Here are the leaves getting larger.

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Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

so its the Kudzu of Hawaii then, well I guess it's a good thing mine grows as a houseplant it can't get that big

Keaau, HI

Not as bad as Kudzu, but it is a problem in lowland rainforests.

Most Aroid vines that are planted outside in Hawai'i become weeds, especially the climbers.

Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

well dave then send me your weeds..LOL...out of curiosity if I put it in a bigger pot with some sort of tall support, would it get bigger?

Keaau, HI

Certainly!

Covington, LA(Zone 8b)

Trina, This golden pothos began as 2 small plants in 4"pots from Home Depot 2 yrs ago. Last summer (08) I grew them in the same 12" pot--outoors,bright shade and a short time in full sun. They made a full, lovely pot. Wintered them in my greenhouse but without any florescent light and too little water. The pot suffered but was not dead.
This past summer I transplanted the whole thing in a 24" pot on my bright front porch. Fertilized it well, watered regularly

Voila!! I now have a large beautilul pothos!!
But you can't leave it inside unless you live in a greenhouse. It loves extreme heat and humidity and bright light.

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Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

hmmmmm...I have an empty pot bigger than that....I have the entire front of my house is glass and faces the rising sun....corner of my bedroom (minimum temp 78 & a humidifier...orchids ya know) it would get very bright but not direct light....wonder how that would work

Keaau, HI

The large plants in Hawai'i grow in the understory of rainforest. Mostly shaded, but hot and humid.

Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

oh where I would put it, it wouldn't get direct sun...now I just need to find plants that will grow in near darkness...LOL

Chicago, IL(Zone 5b)

Had this puppy in my front yard and it took over the stone facing of the house. Sorry there are no pix, but it had 2' leaves and started to remove the stone. Cost a pretty penny to fix the stone because there was a leak in the bathroom behind the stone. Watch those roots, for they can be wicked.


Hap

Covington, LA(Zone 8b)

If your room is hot and humid enough with those glass windows, the Vine would take over your world. Go for it. And stand back.

I love to find old greenhouses that have plants in them that have been allowed to just run. The pothos are HUGE. Certainly not like in a rainforest, but the biggest that I have ever seen.
Johanna

Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

that's ok Happy_1 I can't grow it outside here, Has to stay in a pot, but I did have it out on the deck....My stepson had to climb under the deck with a crow bar to spead the gap open in the deck so we could get it out though...I can easily imagine how in a warmer climate this plant could become a problem!

Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

Thanks Flicker But it would have to fight the Jasmine (2 different kinds) for dominance...But I'd love it....Hubby might not...But I would

(Zone 1)

Flicker: That is an amazing looking plant!

Epiprenmum pinnatum 'Aureum': http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/51451/ is a common houseplant usually found at Home Depot, Wal-Mart and other garden centers around here. I notice the information in Plant Files lists it as zone 10 and higher but it grows up oak and other trees here in zone 9 Central Florida as well. I don't have it in my yard but a block away it's growing way up in the trees. We sometimes have very cold weather in the winter and even an occasional freeze but it doesn't stay cold long so I guess this plant has adapted.

Chicago, IL(Zone 5b)

As I said, this was growing up the wall and as plantladylin said, no problems with cold here, but of course, it's warmer here than at her home. It was initially used as a ground cover until it started to take over the world. It's still purdy!

Hap

(Zone 1)

It is pretty but so many plants in Florida can damage foundations and buildings and end up costing big $$$ for repairs!

I have a Schefflera tree that was a houseplant in a quart pot years ago, and I made the mistake of planting the darn thing right outside our pool area. It is taller than the house and the roots are so huge. We had our pool and deck refinished a year ago and I told my husband we should have that tree removed - the pool deck had huge cracks that I think were from the monster roots of that tree. My husband didn't think it was necessary to have the tree taken out so it's still there. We shall see if we end up with more cracks in that area of the cement pool deck! I did get him to move a smaller Scheff. from the corner of the house when I told him it could damage the foundation!

noonamah, Australia

Mine are right up in the tree tops and the tops of palms with great long trailers hanging down. But I've never noticed any flowers, not that I've ever looked for them. They're easier to control than say Syngonium which does the same thing. The trailers don't root very securely and are easy to pull up. In the dry season I cut them off and leave them in the driveway. The car wheels crushing them and the hot sun make them die completely. In the wet season I roll them up and put them in the deep freeze in plastic bags. Syngonium, once it takes root is near to impossible to remove. Any bit of the root left behind sprouts a new plant.

(Zone 1)

LOL, I have Syngonium taking over a couple of places in my yard.

Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

well Plantlady you can send me all the schefflera's, syngoniums, and pothos you want to get rid of, You too Tropicbreeze....LOL they can't be invasive weeds here as I have yet to see one survive a january when it is -20 outside for weeks at a time! LOL

there we go

Trina's Home for unwanted tropical weeds...LOL

Chicago, IL(Zone 5b)

OK, you got me hooked..tropic. After they are put in the freezer, then what? Salad? Take them out for next year? How big a freezer do you have, BTW?

Good Morning All.


Hap

noonamah, Australia

Frozen salad? Haven't tried that, but no thanks. Out of the freezer and into the garden as mulch is my policy. And the freezer I use for that is one of the large chest type. You'd be surprised at some of the things you'd find in it from time to time.

Chicago, IL(Zone 5b)

Roo?

Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

Don't freeze em or drive over send them to me! LOL I would gladly take those weeds

(Zone 1)

Now I can just see the look on my husbands face when I tell him we need a large chest freezer for plants! LOL.

Uh oh ... maybe we don't want to know what we'd find in Tropic's freezer? Hopefully not Roo! They are just so cute, especially the little ones (aren't the babies called Joey's?)

noonamah, Australia

Hap, the roos have the run of the place, but not inside the freezer. However, feral pig, cane toads, magpie geese, food for the turtles (fish), often sit in there keeping the pothos, syngonium and a persistent unidentified vine company.

Trina, I could send you huge bales of them but USDA would be on your doorstep, doing a bit of a "witch-hunt" you might say. ;O)

noonamah, Australia

Plantladylin, you're right, the young are called joeys. The most numerous ones around my place are Macropus agilis, Agile Wallaby.

Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

LOL Tropic!...but I don't need huge bales maybe a small one tough...lol...But I was gonna ask what are the shipping rule for you? I mean is trading with us even a possibility? I know shipping plants to and from Cananda is a bit of a pain

(Zone 1)

Trina: It's a pain shipping to any other country than the one you live in. From what I've been told you have to fill out bunches of paperwork and purchase a Phytosanitary Certificate and the plants have to still be inspected at the border and can still possibly be confiscated. So ... it's taking a huge chance. If you don't follow the rules you can be fined big time! I remember when I first joined DG a lady on one of the forums was talking about it ... happened to her and she got hit with a huge fine for not following proper procedures.

... I had to go google for the Macropus agilis! They are sooo cute: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q=macropus+agilis&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=iSfXSrXiL47p8Qa1xLnfCA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CBgQsAQwAw but I have heard they can be a bit destructive.

Very interesting critters! http://rainforest-australia.com/agile_wallaby.htm

Canton,IL &Dent Coun, MO(Zone 5b)

ahhhh....that explains it....best stick to within your own country unless your a liscensed nursery with all the proper stuff...I know this is off topic but see what happens when one has waaaaaaaay too much time on thier hands

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