Gee, I can't believe at first viewing that I missed the foliage on bordenii, since foliage is what usually gets my attention first! I know that most of us see the foliage first because the plant might not be in bloom but even when one is in bloom, I always seem to check out the leaves first to see if I like them. I was looking at the lovely flower and overlooked that GORGEOUS foliage! I think that one has it all, nice shaped, veining and color in the foliage, and a beautiful bloom!
October Flowers
Yes...it IS one of my faves!!!!!
They are sooooo pretty, they don't look
real. Beautiful.
Charleen
Really lovely flowers on bordenii and sp. Kunming Kina Carol. And I do love bordenii's leaves too, they're very nicely veined and get a rich red with some sun. I know I'll never be able to give sp.KK the conditions you do, but how do you grow yours? I appear to have sabotaged mine after its first growth spurt by taking cuttings - it took 2 years to start growing again but no sign of peduncles yet.
Christine
We have a lot of ambient humidity...so I grow my sp. KK fairly dry...kinda like H. carnosa or the H. pubicalyxes. The roots are very prone to rot. I have one node cuttings flowering...so it is a young bloomer. It does seem to like a lot of indirect bright light, and lots of air movement...
I am beginning to think air movement is so critical!!!
Carol
H. davidcummingii
smells sooooooo good
Joni
H naumanii
another sweet smelling bloom that last about 2 weeks for me
Joni
those are so pretty.
Thank you for showing.
Charleen
Oooh, Joni ... that davidc. is pretty but I adore the naumanii! There's just something about pink, any shade of pink! And wow, the bloom lasts 2 weeks?! That's another reason to love it!
adding naumanii to my list!
Great photos, Joni...
I was outside cleaning the pool deck today and checking my Hoyas and the australis I bought from the EA website this year has a few peduncles ... teeny little things but I was surprised to see them and can't wait for the blooms ... love the fragrance of australis! I gave one australis to my sister when they were visiting the end of May and she says it blooms all the time. They live down in Fort Lauderdale so I guess it likes the heat and humidity down there too. I have another that I got as a little one in trade a couple of years ago ... it has never bloomed!
Australis never bloomed? Wow. Which one is it...? Maybe you are being too nice to it.
LOL Carol, you had to ask. I'm not certain, but I think it's ssp. australis like the one I gave to my sister that bloomed well when I had it and continues to do so for her! I think that's what the EA australis is also. It's dark out so I will take a picture tomorrow.
I just remembered to go out and take a photo of the two australis plants. The one on left is the EA plant I purchased from their website earlier this year. The one on the right is one I received as a little bitty thing in trade two years ago. There are teeny peduncles on the EA plant (not visible in this photo) but the other has not shown any signs of peduncles in the two years I've had it. I'm assuming these are H. australis ssp. australis.
Carol, Joni, great flowers!!!
Lin, EA australis is tenupe but the one on the right is not. I am not sure which one though.
This is the one I gave to my sister: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/220875/ that had been ID'd here on Dave's as H. australis ssp. australis, and I'm thinking it's the same as the one pictured on the right in my above photo but I am not real sure.
edited to add: The EA plant on the left in my above photo doesn't quite look like the photo's in PF for H. australis ssp tenuipes: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/57679/ possibly because it's still a young plant and the leaves haven't had a chance to grow large?
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There are definite traits that define H. australis ssp. tenuipes and H. australis ssp. australis and they have nothing to do with the photos in the Plant Files. Each of these subspecies have been cloned, seeds grown out, collected etc. to a fair-thee-well and the leaves vary all over the place in shape and size. ONE THING IS CONSTANT: the ssp.tenuipes has very glabrous leaves...VERY smooth, NO little hairs at all. I have introduced a seedling I found growing all over a couple of vacant lots I have called H. australis ssp. tenuipes 'Kapoho' where I found it. It would be a cultivar....it has HUGE leaves very roundish. The one on the right in your photo, Lin, looks like that one.
H. australis ssp. australis has a pubescent leaf (with tiny hairs on it) and is generally a smaller leaf, but not necessarily. ALL DEPENDS ON HOW IT IS GROWN, but I feel it safe to say that the ssp. australis will never look like the ssp. tenuipes 'Kapoho' but it could look like another clone of ssp. tenuipes. One of them blooms in the spring and the other in the fall....I have one that blooms all year on and off. The basic difference between the two (as published) is the pubesence of the one over the other.
In the entire realm of things, they are all H. australis. Just like all of the other popular commercial hoyas, seedlings have been grown out, growing conditions differ so it is hard to tell one ssp. from another, very often. I have about 6 H. australis in my greenhouse and they are all relatively different as they grow in different places in the greenhouse.
The KEY here is the pubesence of the leaves...(generally speaking).
Carol: Thank you so much. I have printed out your above post so I can read over it and check my plants. I will have to get someone in Admin. to delete my three photo's at the entry for H. australis ssp. australis because those leaves do not have any tiny hairs at all.
The EA australis has smaller leaves than the one that you think resembles 'Kapoho' but the EA plants leaves are glabrous as well, absolutely no fuzz, just smaller in size. I was thinking the leaves would just grow larger as the plant matures, kinda like me ... I've grown a whole lot larger as I've matured. ^_^
I do have one australis with soft, fuzzy leaves ... the reverse side of the leaves is even softer than the top! It was given to me in a house plant trade and labeled as H. australis 'Keysii' but someone here told me it is not Keysii, can't remember if they suggested which it might be though. I wonder if it could be ssp. australis? Here's a close up of the one with the real soft foliage.
As always, thanks for your help in explaining the leaf differences, glabrous, pubescent etc.
I got a new Hoya, It did not have a tag. It is so cute.
Varigated green/white also pink/green. Can you give it the correct name. Has
no blooms.
Charleen
Lin, that looks just like my australis ssp australis so, I guess you've got it ID'd now.
Charleen, that lovely hoya is carnosa 'Tricolor' or 'Krimson Queen'. It will take awhile, but it has pretty light pink flowers that have a dark red centre (corona).
And this one, blooming for the first time since it was just a puppy...er, cutting, is H. nummulariodes. I've been keeping an eye on these buds, and smelled them as I came into the room for breakfast this morning but didn't have time to investigate. Imagine my surprise tonight when I got home, took it down to take its picture and found two more umbels of teeny buds! Each of these flowers are about 1/4" in diameter - they're just so cute!
Christine
Thank you Christine, It is a very pretty little Hoya and I love
the pink in with the green and white.
That bloom is adorable.
Charleen
Christine, just wait till they start popping umbrels and buds at every node. It seems that once one starts it is like popcorn they just keep going, at least mine does. You smell mine coming down the hall before you get to the family room where it is located. I think it is so cute.
Dee
Charleen: That is a lovely Hoya, one of my favorites for the pretty leaves!
Christine: Pretty bloom on nummularioides. I had a nice basket of that one two years ago: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/179497/ and I just love the soft fuzzy leaves. Like Dee said, the fragrance on that one is really, really nice too! My plant went downhill but I did manage to take a couple of little cuttings to root.
I noticed one of the little pink leaves has some
green in it. It is a nice little plant. Thank you.
Charleen
Charleen, don't bee too upset if the foliage turns all green with just a teensy bit of cream, white or pink ... I've had that happen.
I have this one that is showing a bit of pale pink on one or two leaves and a lot of white color on a few:
Charleen: These two containers are from one original small pot I received from friends back in the mid 1970's. It was a combination of carnosa's 'Tricolor' (Krimson Queen) and 'Rubra' (Krimson Princess). You can see they have lost most of the variegation.
Lin, those are gorgeous plants!
Doug
Thanks Doug ... I know they are the common type found everywhere, but they hold a special place in my heart because the elderly couple I received the small plant from were in their 80's back then (@1976) and they both passed years ago. I have a large orchid cactus (Epiphyllum oxypetalum) that was a small plant they gave me at the same time. It just sat for years and I didn't pay much attention to it ... never saw it bloom until this past June! It was a fun experience watching the progression: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1002283/ I also have another large orchid cactus they gave me. I had never seen blooms on either until I joined DG and learned that they are night blooming plants! ^_^
Lin, I've always felt that I would rather grow a common plant really well than a rare plant poorly, and you have done a great job with those carnosas! You orchid cactus bloom photos were really cool too.
Doug
Thanks Doug. It sure was fun watching the Epi develop and finally bloom!
I'm not a great plant "mom" ... plants have to thrive on (near) neglect in my care, or not thrive at all. I know folks who are so good about pruning, removing dead leaves and spent blooms, checking closely for pests, fertilizing regularly, etc. I have such a short attention span that I do things in spurts, nothing consistent. I sometimes wonder how my plants would look if I did have a set routine of care and stuck to it.
... yeah, I sometimes say I never met a plant I didn't like, whether common or rare ... except I'm not too fond of the thorny ones!
this is basically the same plant as is in the Shell, but it was so pretty and the price was right, so i got it. I hope it is as tough as the first one. It is amazing how it is the same yet so different. Your plants are beautiful. Your orcid cactus is beautiful. Loved the blooms.
Thank you both for the help.
Charleen
H. magnifica
Really nice photo Pdoyle!
Doug
Gorgeous! Gorgeous! Gorgeous!
I've been talking to mine every day and although it looks healthy enough there are still no signs of peduncles .. maybe next year!
Lin...the peduncles are very very short..maybe 1/2" and they curve so they are easy to miss.
And very slow growing. I thought the whole summer that it was where a leaf had broke off.