I was about to ask ''if'' this was a morning glory and what type, then I saw two other threads on flowers that look like this.
So my question is this a morning glory called pandurata?
or do I have something else?
The reason for my confusion was it comes back every year and all the morning glories I have ever grown are annuals.
I did read the other threads and now understand some have tubers and come back.
another photo
Gus, that sure does look like the Ipomoea pandurata in my garden - love those coneflowers mixed in.
karen
The other reason for my confusion was lack of seeds.
How does one propagate ,I read in one thread about cuttings but did not see if that worked.
Are there other (perennial) morning glories?
Gus, my vine does not set seeds either. From what I've read on this forum, some panduratas need companion pandys that come from a different line of pandys; that is, pandy A won't cross with pandyB, if they both share the same parent, or parents too closely related.
Mainly, pandys are propagated from seed, and are notorious for being difficult to propagate by cuttings. Having said that, I suspect that the earlier a cutting is taken from the moment the vine first sprouts in spring, the better the chance of rooting. The mg sticky has a section on many different techniques for rooting cuttings.
Morning glories are considered to be perennial by two ways: 1) by roots over the winter and 2) by self-sowing seeds over the winter. There are approximately 1,000 different species belonging to the morning glory family, and it's good to check out which species are invasive in your state. So, by all means, check out the invasive species link at the top of Becky's FAQ section of the mg sticky. The mg sticky index has more information on invasives.
Also, check out the species belonging to family Convolvulaceae in the following list from DG PlantFiles, and see which ones are hardy to your zone; sometimes remarks in the comment section expand upon what may or not be hardy where you live - http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/adv_search.php?searcher%5Bcommon%5D=&searcher%5Bfamily%5D=Convolvulaceae&searcher%5Bgenus%5D=&searcher%5Bspecies%5D=&searcher%5Bcultivar%5D=&searcher%5Bhybridizer%5D=&searcher%5Bgrex%5D=&search_prefs%5Bblank_cultivar%5D=&search_prefs%5Bsort_by%5D=genus&images_prefs=both&Search=Search
It's a huge list, isn't it? It sure would be nice if admin could do for Convolvulaceae what it's done for plants on this list - http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/advanced.php . If Convolvulaceae were on this advanced list, then we could select for characteristics like hardiness for zone 5a, for instance.
Hope this helps and gives ya some unusual possibilities -
karen
Hi and welcome!
That is ipomoea pandurata and it forms large tuberous roots that could be divided.
Have a look at this thread here with MASSIVE roots that were wrenched and yanked from from the wild, it will give you an idea of the storage systems these babies produce.
You can also see how large these vines are compared to the front of the car; I would be whooping and hollerin' with that thing nestled in my gun rack going down the road with that baby in the trunk of my car!!
It's nice to see them growing in a garden setting though where people can enjoy it.
You are lucky having that in your garden they are becoming more and more rare and they have gorgeous blooms
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/616723/
I've been following some of these threads, and it seems that some of the major growers or people who grow for a couple of members and support them here on this forum, do not care about stealing plants or growing for those that steal plants. How sad is that? Then all they do is sell the seeds, instead of putting back into the community they seem to exploit everyone in the name of conservation and preservation.
More awareness is indeed needed on Dave's Garden. Hopefully these posts and others like the ones being edited will remain and be a valuable lesson to those who consider themselves saviors of the mg strains. If you go through the proper channels, perhaps you can help in conservation efforts instead of "Pretending" to do so.
This is my first post here and most likely my last, but, it seems that someone that cares needed to speak up in support of stopping the pilferage of plants for others money making schemes. What is more disturbing is that there are members here ignoring what is being said.
Yellow4oclock, I think you have raised a good point, and I thank you for that.
I can only speak for myself, though, and for the record, all of the mgs I have ever grown have either been given to me, or traded to me, or bought by me, and I have spent considerable time and effort giving seeds I harvest back to members of this forum, to dg at large, and to friends and neighbors. And I know that I am not the only one - Beckygardener comes to mind. Some who dig up mgs only do so with permission of the private landowner.
Speaking for the forum - Whatever the faults of some on this forum may be, I believe that as a whole, this forum has done a great service by maintaining and propagating mg species and heirloom cultivars and sharing them as widely as possible in the hope that their existence will continue - not to mention the knowledge to enable others to do so, as well as an ongoing consciousness of restraint, where habitats may be endangered.
Finally, welcome to the mg forum, yellow4oclock. I hope you'll stay with us.
Karen
Joseph, well said: "mystification...as a way of life". So, I went back and checked out rsm's link which turns out to have been the one about Emma and and I. pandurata -
Yellow4oclock, were you referring to the link that rareseedman posted about Emma's thread regarding Ipomoea pandurata here - http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/616723/ ? Emma qualified her digging the pandy in the first post of that thread as having been done with the permission of the landowner.
As it happens, when I referred to growing out seeds gifted to me and then making gifts of my harvest to others, in turn - The lion's share of what I have been given came from Emma. I passed about 50 collections of different mgs I harvested from Emma's seeds along as trades or gifts. Before I did that, though, I asked her if she would mind if I included her detractors on the forum, and she said, go ahead and share them with everyone. So I did, and I like to think that everyone who received Emma's seeds through me is continuing to pass the favor forward to others.
Aside from Emma, I can't think of who else you could be referring to. The accusations against Emma that I have heard in this regard are unfounded. If she has made mistakes, so have we all, and I strongly believe that given the high odds that sooner or later life will throw a big curve against any of us - that greater tolerance and forgiveness is called for.
On general principle, may your post help those lacking respect for endangered species and habitats change their ways.
karen
The lack of respect/theft for/of endangered species and habitats is called breaking the law.
If you see the original first post on the link that you refer to, you will note that it was edited on August 20,2009, to change/add that permission was obtained. As all of the other posts have been edited to reflect as such.
I do not mean to disturb your way of thinking regarding the members here, I am just stating what I read and my thoughts. I joined this site and in a couple of days/weeks, I was offered seeds free, which is a wonderful thought and I almost wrote back to accept the offer, until I read the posts here.
Mr/Ms Gerris, it is a wonderful life, everyday is a good day when we get to wake up mystified or not! If I confused you, you may want to read the links here where the native species are being pulled and dug up. It is not a pretty site.
edited: you can see where it is very easy to edit a post and delete something. This is the type of editing going on by several members and has left the posts basically unintelligible.
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Yellow4oclock, you and I do agree that everyone must obey the laws that protect endangered habitats and species, and I hope offenders reading this thread will better understand the significance of what they are doing and change their ways.
I do appreciate your sharing your thoughts. You've probably read more posts here than I have lately, as my eyesight has been giving me some trouble lately.
I do remain optimistic about folks' Better Angels guiding any behavioral changes with respect to safeguarding endangered habitats and species, and I think that you have probably contributed to that. Thank you.
Karen
I am not sure how to respond,
I was just trying to get more information on a plant I care for.
I have been taking care of this garden for 3 years now. It is not my garden I am just the caretaker and I have no idea where this plant came from.
I am in mid Indiana and have never seen this plant in the wild around here.
As for the free seeds offered to new members a group of new members were so happy someone shared seeds with them they thought it a good idea to offer to send seeds to all the new members.
Thank you all for the information
And on a personal note I find Dave's Garden a wonderful place.
^_^
Cinda
Cinda, I find Dave's Garden a wonderful place, too. It's nice to see you here, and I'm looking forward to spending more time with the cottage gardeners.
I wish we all would think of the wild places as a extension of our backyards or gardens.
I have found a seed.
This is the first, and only one that appeared to be ripe (brown)
There are at least 6 more fat green ones.
Question ???
Is it normal to have only one seed per case?
gardengus - The number of seeds per pod can vary. I've seen as many as 7 and of course as little as 1 per pod. Congrats on your first collected seed! :-)
Gus, 1 per pod for pandurata is common. Every once in a while, I find
a pod with 2 seeds inside. Oh Happy Day. lol
