the lupins are being choaked out by the loose strife and now my sister told me someone planted some type of grass that is taking over the waters edge in some area a dozen feet tall and reseeds so fast that they are burning it three to four times per year and its not making a dent in it and its spreading along rivers and creeks shoaking out the natural ferns and bog flowers it is just awfull
Mexican Petunia?
i know there are grasses listed on the In. do not plant list,I will have to go look. Every time I go look at it,Iam always amazed at whats on it.
I planted obediant plant one year it was so nice bloomed all summer and I kept up the deadheading and it kept blooming the next year it had spread out from a six inch pot I planted to over three feet across that is always a hint a perennial that spreads that much
so I decided to get rid of it and this was like in may so one year old plant it had rooted 14 inches deep normal but what was not normal was that the whole area was solid root and hard like wood and when I managed to get it all out it left me with a whole the side of the plant like no soil the soil had disappeared can you imagine if this this grew wild it would strip the top soil right out and nothing would grow with it or again even if it was destroyed with no top soil the area would be barren
You know, I really don't know if burning the right thing to do. We burn our native plants so the roots go deeper. I would think that the same thing would happen with the non native? I don't know, I'm guessing. My parents have 16 acres. They have one of the bush honeysuckles (I think it's Tartarian) and multi-flora rose to name a few. They are so thick in there, you can't walk. We cleaned out an area and the next year there were mayapples and 2 different kinds of trillium's..it was so pretty walking thru there. But my dad didn't do what he said he was going to do to yank out the roots, so they all grew back with a vengeance. Sad really. He keeps talking about getting somebody to do a controlled burn, but he doesn't do it.
You asked why your friend with the landscape center planted all the bad things? They're the ones that sell the stuff, so they plant it. They're the ones who are supposed to know, yet a lot of them don't read the information given to them regarding invasives. The saddest to me is the wholesale places that sell to the states where the plants are known invasives! Why do they do that? And if it makes you feel better, I think everybody knows Russian Olives are invasive (check your area), they are here and they are in TN. We were living in TN and we was at a friends house. We were walking around his yard and the smell! Oh my, did it smell good! I asked him what smelled so good and he points to a shrub and tells me "Elaeagnus Angustifolia". I didn't ask for a common name (I was just learning Latin names and I didn't know that one). I told him next time I was at the nursery he worked at, to remind me and get me one. I paid for it and got home and only then did I do my homework. I called the store and boy did he get an earful!!! To this day, I still remind him of that...lol
Russian olive,is on In. list,I see it growing along side the roads now too,the friend no longer does landscaping hasnt for 10 yrs,which is a good thing.
well I decided to be a good gardener and I went a paid for a book that shows all the wild flowers that should grow in my area, well I found that the last owner must have like them also I allready have a coupld of dozen of them that are growing wild on the property and I plan on getting much more in the spring, the lady across the street from me has a problem at the back of her property and in june she is having it re-graded and she is to old to salvage the plants so she game me cart blanch to take anything I want
she has lady slippers of three different colors and also many kinds of trilliums from small ones to the very large white so I plan on taking every single one I can find so save them since we have the same kind of soil they should do fine
I have decided to look and where ever I see signs for future development I plan on contacting the owners of the property and asking if I can remove native plants so they will not be destroyed with 2.5 acres and some of it is damp and part shade some is full shade dry and one area is shade a more wet also have a huge area that is sunny and used for nothing except growing some flowers wild and weeds maybe that could be used for something better
some people should learn that to have a garden center they should take horticultural courses fist and get certified so they know what they are doing, if something ever was proven and it was sold at a certain garden center they would be sued and ruined it up to us gardeners to report them to the proper authorities when plants are being sold that are on the list and its easy just write down the lating name and check the list and make a phone call or email and it will be checked out
yes,I can report on the the website I use,makes it handy.How lucky for you to have a generous neibor,love those great finds also,lady slippers would love to live here to ,I have woods,water,sun.I got all my info from the Indiana dept.of natural resourses, They also have a list of what to plant with nice color pictures.
Please be sure that what you plant are indigenous/native plants and not merely "wild flowers". Queens Ann's Lace falls into the wild flower category and I wouldn't want that in my gardens....
there is enough of that in the fields I am looking for plants that are hard to find and rare not the common stuff I have all of those already somewhere on the property
You know what I love and have loved for a really long time? I could have no other plant but this and be happy. Eupatorium perfoliatum. I love it. We've been in this house for almost 5 yrs. It loves this soil. It pops up in oddest places...lol...
terryr,what is the slang for Eupatorium perfoliatum ? sorry to say thats all I know ,are the slang or common names.Iam a self taught gardner,or as I say the trial and error method of gardening.Always learning the hard way !!!
boneset is the common name also very invasive
Joe Pye Weed is what I call it. It's NOT an invasive plant. In no way shape or form is this plant an invasive plant! I say again, please get the proper meaning on what the word invasive means!! I've never heard anyone say it's even an aggressive plant, let alone an invasive one. It's not even weedy. Here's the USDA site
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=EUPE3
this from mobot
http://www.mobot.org/gardinghelp/plantfinder/plant.asp?code=C740
here's from daves
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/11/
as I asked before, I ask again....please read up and learn what an invasive plant is.
if a plants name ends with weed I usually dont bother with it hahahah maybe I am just paranoid and hate weeds
You're missing out on a lot of wonderful plants with that thought process. Especially if you like, and you wish to attract any butterflies to your garden. Remember, people are here at DG to learn. They won't, if given the wrong information regarding plants.
sorry when I researched the plant it said invasive I didnt just write it I never do that it is banned in some states
You read it was invasive? Really? Oh my gosh!! Where?? Do you have links? Maybe it's another one? This reseeds, but it's not invasive. It's also an indigenous plant, so it's supposed to be here. Unlike something like a Queen Ann's Lace which is from Europe somewhere.
yes we have queen anns lace and it is wild carrotte the indians have been eating it for thousands of years but the european kind the larger one was brought in and it is harder to get rid of
I will look and see if I can find the site I was on and post the link for you
here is canada we dont have problems with a lot of the plants that the southern state but we do have major problems with some perennials that have been brought in
I think you might be mistaken on your belief on Queen Ann's Lace. The European kind is a wild carrot. I have not come across any information that says there are 2 kinds of QAL in North America. Only the European one, Daucus carota, is from Europe. I can none that was here for thousands of years.
we have another wild carrot in canada that looks just like it but much smaller that is the native plant here
I'll have to look that up!! You learn something new everyday! ^_^
when I was a kid I use to call them queen ann and princess ann since it was only 18 inches tall compared to the queen that was four to five feet
There's a north american native called "american wild carrot", or rattlesnake weed sometimes down here, Daucus pusillus Michx, that looks very similar to queen anne's lace.
USDA shows it with a very odd range, http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=DAPU3 , which makes me a little suspicious that there's some misidentified reporting.
Here it is in PlantFiles
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/74985/
From just the bit of searching I just did, I haven't heard of this plant. Rattlesnake master, Eryngium yuccifolium, I've heard of, but Daucus pusillus I haven't.
that looks like what we have here its funny that I also have all kinds of new england asters, growing all over my property
do you realize that people actually by them here and pay a lot of money for them when they already grow wild all over hahahahah I purchased a native ontario flower book and its amazing what people will buy when it already grows wild in the fields
We have several more down here from that Apiaceae carrot family, some native and some from europe. They all have that carroty root, and are edible. Except for the one that is deadly poisonous. So maybe people feel like if they buy something at the nursery they know exactly what it is. (I've gotten where I don't necessarily trust the nursery, or the bird that dribbled seeds all over my beds, either.)
hahhahahaha yes those birds, I have blue jays and cardinals so I give them sunflower seeds to eat and now the seeds are all over one of my flower beds so in the spring I will be moving all the ones that come up since I really dont want them in with my fancy daylilies
You're in Ontario, so maybe it's legal to dig up plants out of fields? Here in the states, it's not. Unless you have permission from the owner, then you can. Otherwise, no, you can't do it.
redbird, I believe the European one, Daucus carota, is poisonous. Plants can and do cross pollinate, so I don't think I'd eat any of them ;)
I dont eat them and I dig plants where they are stripping the soil for new housing and such and I always ask before doing it same rules here
some plants are protected and have actually stopped construction hahahah since they are rare, those are usually moved and a new habitat is found for them
O.k......just making sure ^_^ I've heard of a lot of people that just want the plant so they dig it up! Yes, I've heard the same thing about halting construction.
are you saying that people just take them without asking, it is so hard to move some of them making sure not to disturb the roots and taking enough of the soil to make sure that the nutrients that are needed for survival are also present when the plant is removed
it is a tricky thing moving some of them I usually bring my book and make sure I do it right to ensure a better success rate of tranplantation
that is why I told my friend that since they are grading and adding soil which will kill everything behind her house that I would come and take all of what I can find before they do the work she did tell me that they will not be able to do till mid june since it will be to wet so that give me time all I need in like two weekends and since we have cleaned out a large section of woods over the last two years and its ready this spring for plants I am hoping that if I move them a few at a time and just plant them right away that most will take
Yes. They don't ask the people (or entity) who own the land if they can remove them. Doesn't necessarily have to be in a forest with all the extra nutrients, it could be a plant they want that they see in a ditch. I'm surprised at your friends place that they're adding soil. Typically they remove so much of it. I'm glad the corporation or whoever owns the land at your friends, will allow you to remove the plants. I live in farm land, so if new housing is going up, it's where the crops used to grow. No chance for any plants that way.
I had permission from the state to remove a few plants in the timber where a friend used to work. I did everything right, but the only thing that comes up year after year is the Mayapple (Podophyllum peltatum). And then the rabbit eats it down to a nub. sigh
There's a variety of Mexican Petunia that are 'sterile', and then there is the other Mexican Petunia that can spread.
I read that information on a 'Florida Invasives website'.
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Hmmm
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Jonniefish,
Here in South Georgia, mine have spready ONLY by the root ball. I have had mine for years, I know plenty plenty of people in this area who have had them for years and I have NEVER never seen any volunteers out of place from seed. Not saying that it couldn't happen, just don't think conditions are prime in my location for the process to take place. It is a wonderful plant for me....i love the color,....i love the reliability, i love the greenery it provides. Not sure what kind of threat really is in your area, but here it doesn't seem to be a problem. And...I have many stands of it....stands that I planted myself from division.