Help with my confusion about Lilium Division I - !X or X?

I am trying to get my lilies listed in the correct divisions in my Garden Journal, but I am very confused about Division IV "American Hybrids"? I have found it listed as "Lilium Bellingham Group" And then I am not sure whether there are 9 or 10 Divisions. Is there a good source, book or web site which lists the many of the cultivars and others by division. More confusing than Narcissus. Thanks, Patti

Division IV American hybrids for the most part are not usually commercially available. The Bellingham Hybrids are hybrids of L. humboldtii, L. pardalinum and L. parryi.

In my opinion your best resource for determining category is the Lily Register; click on Search and enter the name of your hybrid lily. Unfortunately now days fewer and fewer new lilies get registered, in which case I suggest you ask us here on the forum and we will see if we can get it in the right division for you.

As far as I know Division VIII is Orienpet only (Oriental x trumpet). Division IX is pure species and Division X is the newest weirdos, most of which are improperly listed in Mikes backyard as Div. VIII.

Your first box up there is a schedule for a flower show that loosely followed the official lily divisions but doesn't really accurately represent them.

http://www.lilyregister.com/

pardalinum Div.IV! Big help. I will clean up my mess in my journal and then I will post it for corrections from you "knowing people" Thanks for the link and clarification. Patti

Sounds like a good plan!

Hard at work cleaning up my mess. I assume there is no search sites with pictures like http://daffseek.org/ or http://www.helpmefind.com/roses/ or http://db.tinkersgardens.com/ which are all very helpful. I need to send more donations to them as they are great. Patti

If you know the name then try Plantfiles. If you don't know the name and just have a photo and are trying to ID it, then that gets more difficult as so many look alike. From what I see, the lily info in Plantfiles includes the division they are in as well as member photos.

Most of us here don't give a hoot about the abc part and many of the major sellers don't even mention it. A photo usually tells all anyway. It is useful information if you don't have a photo.

For the last year or two, I've been thinking that Div. VIII could use some revamping. Lily Nook has it listed as Interdivisional Hybrids which is great but to my mind means 'everything else'. Thanks to the miracle of embryo rescue nearly anything is possible.

NOT that I want a whole bunch of new divisions! Looking at all the Daff and Narcissus divs makes my little pea brain melt.

I haven't seen where any have been moved out of Div. VIII. Where is this info? Lily Nook still has the LAs in Div. 8, and Species in 9. Can't see any changes at the RHS, but maybe I'm not looking at the right place.

Looks like it came from here http://www.marls.org/MARLS_show_schedule_2009.pdf

My info is from McRae's book so they must have changed things since he wrote it. He also has Div X described as all others etc...

This is the first I've heard of a "Division change". I'm shocked. As far as I know, VIII is still for "all interdivisional hybrids" or "all other" and IX is for species and there is no X. I'm checking this out.

According to the International Lily Register and checklist 2007 -
First supplement,

Division I - Asiatic hybrids
Division II - Martagon hybrids
Division III - Euro-Caucasian hybrids
Division IV - American hybrids
Division V - Longiflorum lilies
Division VI - Trumpet and Aurelian hybrids
Division VII - Oriental hybrids
Division VIII - Other hybrids
Division IX - Species and cultivars of species

I can go into more detailed descriptions from the Registry, but this is the
most up to date. I note that Division III is no longer Candidum, but is now
called Euro-Caucasion. And Division VIII is now referred to as "other
hybrids". It used to be "interspecific hybrids".

And there you have it. Straight from the horses's mouth. As far as
Division X, there is no such thing. There may be in the future, but not
right now.


inanda

Thanks all for the clarifications and sites. Here is my corrected list. I hope it is now correct, but I am sure there are still errors. So any corrections would be much appreciated.

I think I will break up section 8 into sub categories, just for my own clarification, but not until the snows fly. I have been cleaning up my Narcissus list as well as my tulip list too. Patti


Div. 1 Asiatic hybrids
Alexly
Alpi
Amarone
Amaze
Anru
Aphrodite
Asiatic Mixed Bag
Beaudacious
Black Bird
Black Jack x Venture
Black Out
Black Spider
Bright Pixie
Brunello
Cancun
Cannes
Cappuccino
Centerfold
Cheerful
Circus Clown
Citronella
Coastline
Commander in Chief
Compass
Corrida
Daydream
Detroit
Dimention
Disco
Dolly Madison
Dot Com
Dwarf Blackbird
Dwarf Matrix
Ebony
Elodie
Endless Love
Fata Morgana
Firestar
First Class
Flevo
Giraffe
Gold Ray
Good Night
Gran Cru
Halloween
Hiawatha
Indian Summer
Ivory Pixie
Jacqueline
July Mint
July Sun
July Vanilla
La Toya
Landini
Latvia
Lavendar Joy
Lemon
Lemon Sauce
Little Yellow Kiss
Lollypop
London
Loreto
Luxor
Matrix
Megan
Merry
Momentous
Monte Negro ®
Mount Dragon
Mount Duckling
Music Art
Navona
Nerone
Nettie's Pride
New Wave
Oklahoma
Olina
Orange Art
Orange Electric
Patricia's pride
Peach Pixie
Petite Brigitte
Petite Pink
Pisa
Pixie Butter
Pixie Orange
Pup Art
Purple Sensation
Pyc
Red Velvet
Reinesse
Rhodos
Rodela
Rosella's Dream
Rosepoint Lace
Rosie Cheeks
Scream
Shimmer
Spark
Sphinx
Spring Pink
Starburst
Starven
Stunning
Summer Night
Summer Song
Tinos
Traveller
Tristar
Tropical Dream
Venture
Vermeer
Vulcano
Wanderer
Yellow Splash
Zsa Zsa

Div. 4 American hybrid
Gold Eagle

Div. 6 Trumpet hybrids
African Queen
El Flame
Golden Splendour
Lemon Lime
Pink Perfection
Sunwolf

Div. 7 Oriental hybrids
Acapulco
Aubade
Auratum Gold Band
Bergamo
Black Beauty
Bloody Ram
Bonbini
Breakdance
Carducci
Casa Blanca
Cassandra
Coral Angel
Coral Queen
Deep Impact
Demure
Devotion
Diamonds
Dizzy
Doc
Dwarf Farolito
Dwarf Gold Band
Dwarf Red Spot
Dynamite
Early Rose
Garden Party
Genteel Lady
Giant Angel
Girosa
Golden Stargazer
Green Queen
Helvetia
July Snow
King Coral
Kiss Proof
Lady Alice
Lady Annebelle
Late pink
Mambo
Miss Ariel
Miss Lucy
Mister Big
Mona Lisa
Montezuma
Montreal
Moonfairy
Moonstar
Muscadet
Mystique
Nippon
Novelty
Nymph
Pep Talk
Pink Mystery
Pink Pearl
Pink Up
Pompei
Pookie
Puerto Rico
Queen Coral
Queen Fantasia
Rio Negro
Rosy Wonder
Ryanne
Salmon Star
Siberia
Sigma
Silk Ruffles
Skyscraper
Sorbonne
Star Gazer
Starfighter
Sumatra
Sunny Day
Tantalize
Tiara
Tiger Woods
Time Out
Tom Pouce
White Bud
White Rhino

Div. 8 Other hybrids
Altari
American Bandstand
American Debutante
American Dream
American Flame
American Sentinel
American Spirit
Avocado
Baruta
Baywatch
Belladonna
Boogie Woogie
Bright Star
Camelot
Candy Club
Chambertin
Champagne
Conca D'Or
Conca d'or
Dazzle
Desert Song
Dress Rehearsal
Easter Bonnet
El Condor
Eyeliner
Fancy Crown
First Crown
Frill of It
Futura
Gambetta
Georgette
Gerez
Godzilla
Golden Torch
Graffetti
Holland Beauty
Honeymoon
Indian Summer
Invasion
Kentucky
King Kong
Luminaries
Marquee
Menorca
Miss Lily
Montego Bay
Mt Bachelor
Music
Novita
Queen Kong
Red Dutch
Red Hot
Robert Swanson
Robina
Rodin
Rosselini
Royal Fantasy
Royal Highness
Royal Present
Royal Sunset
Salmon Classic
Samur
Satisfaction
Scheherazade
Serrada
South Pacific
Suncreast
Suncrest
Sunny Crown
Super Nova
Touching
Trebbiano
Triumphator
Urandi
Veranda
Yellow Ace
Yuri No Hikari
Zeus


Div.9 species and cultivars of species
Species lily canadense
Species lily cerbuum
Species lily cernuum
Species lily columbianum
Species lily davidii
Species lily henryi
Species lily henryi citrinum
Species lily lancifolium var. splendens seeds
Species lily lankongense
Species lily leichtlinii
Species lily nepalense
Species lily pumilum (aka tenuifolium)
Species lily regale
Species lily speciosum rubrum
Species lily speciosum var. album
Species lily splendens
Species lily tenuifolium
Species lily tigrinum flaviflorum
Species lily tigrium

What has helped me in the classification of my lilies is I've broken Divison VIII lilies into O/T Lilies, O/A Lilies, L/A Lilies and etc. You have quite a wonderful collection of lilies. Please post all their pictures next year.

I only took some photographs this summer and none since July 22nd, so there is a huge gap. But here is an album to view. Some may be labelled incorrectly and a few are missing names. I will repair it this winter. Enjoy. Patti

http://picasaweb.google.com/bbrookrd/LILIUM2009?feat=directlink

The Nine Divisions are still the same as they have been for decades according to the North American Lily Society. Division VIII was created when there were no entries. Who would have seen such an explosion in the interdivisonal crosses? test tube babies.

I would like to see the interdivisionals broken down. The orienpets alone are richly varied in color, shape and orientation.

Division VIII includes quite a few crosses at this time between the divisions:

LAs (longiflorum x asiatic)
TA (trumpet x asiatic)
OT (oriental x trumpet)
Marasians (martagon x asiatic)
LO (longiflorum x oriental)
asiapets (asiatic x trumpet)
longipets (longiflorum x trumpet)
OA (oriental x asiatic)

Some of these crosses are very vigorous hybrids like OTs & LAs, others are a bit more difficult to grow. Just more ways to empty my pocketbook.

Need help also, would like to know why OT Hybrids Lilies which are crosses between Oriental Lily & Trumpet Lily can be listed under Division 7 - Oriental Hybrids or Division 8 – Other Hybrids.
Examples are:
Alchemy – Listed as Division 8 – Other Hybrids
Anastasia - Listed as Division 8 – Other Hybrids

Black Beauty – Listed as Division 7 – Oriental Hybrid
Bonbini - Listed as Division 7 – Oriental Hybrid

Does it have to due when the lilies are registered?

Which are the lilies really?