Unknown Seedlings

Hello to all and I hope that someone might be able to help.

I am trying my hand at gardening and after weeding the flowerbed. I planted various things but a couple of unknown seedlings emerged. Planted; Nasturtium, Snapdragons, Delphiniums also seemed to have gotten seedlings from a potted basil. So in case any of my herbs have also germinated, I have a chilli plant, oregano, marjoram, strawberry and spring onion.

Here are a couple of photos. Have two of each, one to suggest proportion and the next a closeup. Sorry if this is not the normal or best way

Thanks for any help


Unknown A

Unknown A Close Up

Unknown B

Unknown B Close Up

Unknown C

Unknown C Close Up

That's the lot.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Hi...go to the seed site...has pics of seedlings.....maybe it will help you....here it is"
http://theseedsite.co.uk/seedlings1.html

I *think* B are your snapdragons. The other 2....?

Thanks for the site link Gammy, have looked thru all of the photos already with no luck. Will go through again and see if I missed anything.

Pagancat, they do look similar to a type of snapdragon that I found on 'theseedsite' but my problem is that I also have multiples of this (attached) growing which I thought were the snapdragons.

Thanks for the help

I think B and that last photo are both snapdragons

Hmmm .... ?

Thanks everyone.

Pagancat and onewish, that would be great if I had two different types of snapdragons growing. Hope you are right.

A and B are not any of the flowers you mentioned. I think the pinch and sniff test is the next step. All you need is one leaf.

Ladygardener, does that mean that you have an idea what seedling C is?

None of the seedlings/leaves have a discernable smell. To the extent that basil leaves smell like basil.

At this stage would I be right in saying waiting until the plant matures or flowers appear would be the most effective identification.

Thanks

No sorry, left out C in my post. Maybe when the plants mature a bit more, sometimes growth habit will get closer to the identity of the plant. Post more pictures as they mature.

Hello again,

Thanks to everyone for your previous help. I have continued to look for indications of what these could be but with no luck, so here are newer photos. The originals were taken about 3 weeks ago.

Also there are some new ones which have sprouted that surprisingly I can't identify either. Hope you can help.

From previous posts, Unknown A seedling has gotten longer and now seems to just creep. There is still no smell from a pinch test. Other seedlings of this are emerging but not close by, however I have not found any of these in the part of the garden infested by weeds.

This is Unknown 'B' from previous and I just realised that I never said this is only ONE seedling. As you can see is has increased in size but not changed much.

I found this mention of St. John's Wort here. Last photo ( http://theseedsite.co.uk/seedlings5.html ) and am curious if others think it could be this.



This message was edited Jun 28, 2009 2:53 PM

Here are the new unknowns,

New 'A' and 'B'.

New 'C'

Which seemed to grow to this over a period of 2 weeks.

This is a seedling that I thought could have been a Cherry Tomato plant as I had tried to grow some in pots above this area. Some pots were knocked over by the local cat, this happened about 3 months ago though.

The plant that it is touching however is a 'Sweet Pea' (like others a foot on either side), and I have noticed that this Sweet Pea's stem has now dried up enough that I think it will soon die.

If this is a Tomato plant, are the roots going to effect the other sweet pea in the area.

Also I did look for Tomato seedlings but did not find any with 'hairy stems' as in the photo.

Tomato plant - http://www.gardenaction.co.uk/images/beginner/plant-tomato-5-mine.jpg

Thats the lot. Everything else in the flowerbed, I either know or treat like an unwanted weed.

Here are my guesses. Unkown "A" could be a moss rose. Unknown "B" looks like one of the chickweeds. New "A" appears to be common purslane (with an even smaller seedling below it to the left). New "B" I don't know. New "C" is some type of bean. The last photo is a tomato (all varieties I grow have hairy stems) and should have no effect on sweet pea at all. The fact that it is touching one that is dying is coincidental.

Hey everybody, do you concur with the ID's????????????

I am going to go look at my weed sedem today ... I say that because it grows all over here like a weed.. and gets yellow flowers... might be your new A.... or it can be the moss rose

new B looks familiar too my guess is maybe a strawberry... or the weed strawberry that I keep yanking out of here as well (don't know what they are called)

old B is no doubt a weed now.... be sure to get it before it flowers and goes to seed

Hay, thanks for the suggestions.

Trc
Moss Rose seems to have a red stem in this http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/fp.php?pid=6415089 . My seedling has always had a green one. It might be the same family. Thanks for the heads up.

Unknown 'B' being a chickweed is unfortunate because I was hoping it was another Snapdragon but
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/IPM/english/brassicas/weeds/common-chickweed.html , the third photo down looks very similar... Ah well.

Unknown 'C' being a bean will soon be a has-been. The last being a tomato is great, as it was the first plant I tried to grow and all the seedlings (potted) died at about 1/2 inch (2 weeks). I feel better that atleast one of them survived even if I had nothing to do with it.

Onewish,
This might be a really stupid question, 'sedem'?? Have no idea what that is. :(

I will have a look and see if the New 'B' seedling is similar to the potted strawberry that I have but off hand I don't think so.

Shame about old 'B', I was hoping you were right and that I had a Snapdragon that was growing really quickly.

Thanks

Yup, trc, I think you got it. 'Unknown A' is a Portulaca something- http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/165509/ .... some of them are weedy, some of them are glorious. I have a thousand volunteers from some bedding moss roses we put in last year and it's quite a beautiful show. I'd let it grow and see if you got one of the showy ones, if not it yanks out very easily.

New A is probably also a Portulaca something or Purslane - http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/125465/

I think that the chickweed usually has slightly hairy leaves that are extended a little bit more along the stalk. Not that I know the name of this particular weed (if it's not chickweed,) but if I'm correct, it gets tiny orange flowers on it and is sort of pretty as a ground cover. I vote leave it until it flowers and then decide.

I think onewish meant Sedum? Like Autumn Joy or one of those, onewish? And I bet you were talking about 'Indian strawberry' - looks almost identical with smaller leaves and much smaller & hard fruit.

HTH!!!

Thanks to all your help... Looks like trc and pagancat have it correct

Unknown A - Portulaca pilosa - pigweed

http://www.hear.org/starr/plants/images/image/?q=030202-0089

New A and B I will leave until they become more distinct.

Old B (chickweed) I am undecided as it looks like a nice little plant at the moment.

Thanks

Hi mrjimmyd
'B 'might be Anagallis monellii(blue flower) orAnagallis arvensis(scarlet flower).

New B is looks like Noon Flower, Midday Flower,
(Pentapetes phoenicea)
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/112205/
Here is my seedling of Pentapetes phoenicea

New C might be Hyacinth Bean
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/890/

Tomtom

Glad to be of help. Just a note on common names and scientific names. The portulaca that is referenced is called a pigweed on the website. Here in the continental US, pigweeds are all Amaranthus spp.(at least in my experience as a weed scientist). I have never heard portulaca refered to as a "pigweed", hence the problem. I am as guilty as the next person in using common names instead of scientific names but I would suggest that scientific names be referenced when you know them or can find them easily; especially when refering to weeds which seem to have common names that vary widely by region.

So, common chickweed is Stellaria media. and purslane is Portulaca spp. Hope this helps. ;)

LOL - it does get confusing!

sorry for the typo... yes I did mean sedum... and I was thinking the stonecrop creeping stuff... not the uprights

Next season, try to sow in trays: You can mark your species, you'll have no weeds, save water and have healthy plants with out any confusion.

Hi All,

Tomtom,
Your photo of Pentapetes phoenicea looks very similar to the seedling that I have and the flower/plant looks good too.
http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Midday%20Flower.html

However I might be looking at the wrong plant as the seedlings don't seem to be the same.
http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Pentapetes/gallery.html

Trc,
Thanks for the advice on naming but as you can see from above I might not have it sussed yet :).

Onewish, (New A)
Sedum - Stonecrop looks very similar to a plant that is growing on a neighbouring wall, however, I did not know what it was called and also could not find any seedlings. See attached you might know which it is.

Allalla,
I am unsure if you mean sow and leave in pots or sow and then replant when a good size. I was told that resowing is often quiet bad for seedlings and direct planting should always be done when possible.The plants that I actually planted, were put in pots or in some cases both pots and direct planting, so that seedlings could be identified. The direct plant areas were marked out with either pebbles or (for the sweet pea) stakes. All of the seedlings that I have asked about are ones that I did not plant. As a new gardener (and I use that term loosely about myself :) ) I did not want to leave or remove anything that could have looked good or bad..

Thanks for everyone's time and effort.

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This message was edited Jul 1, 2009 1:41 PM

oh I couldn't possibly give you a positive id on which one... there are way too many... and I am not that good

:)

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/search.php?q=stonecrop&Search=Search+PlantFiles