ID help please

Ha, dont blame me for collecting wild hoyas, just very interested in this epiphytic and there are not too much choice I can buy from chinese flower market.
I live in YunNan province of china, know as the most South West province of China and border with Vietnam, Myanmar , Lao and very close to Nepal, Thailand, so no strange there's aslo many curious hoya species.

Lets come with these 4 speices the first time(I sure will need help in the future, since i've told these are very common hoyas by local people live in the mountain, and i presume there will be also some not so common :)

This is the first one, leaves about 10cm long and 5cm broad,with very nice and abvious lines, so i think it would be the most easy to recognize by you :)

a close up of the leaves~~~I think it's very nice, and a slow grower.

I think this one is also very "different" with rectangle leaves~~~ very thick .

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i'm ashamed to input this one, but it's not my fault, I just cant pull it off the tree not hurting the vine.
The leaves are so big and heavy, that make the vine relatively so fragile with out support. the vine broken so easily.
So i cut it into cuttings each with one leaf only and root them(still cant stand up in the pot:) )

How long the leaves? maybe 25cm or even longer, much longer than my full hand~~~
it's very very thick, and make it very very heavy.

pics with details~
is my hand too smaller?

how can I upload more than one pics each time ~~

this one look like autralis, may really it is.
but the vines are more slim , and leaves in darker green.

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a bit dry, but it establish well very quickly after transplanting

oh....here always comes wrong with my math.~~~~ I should go back to primary school after uploading the fifth species. (I said 4 at begin and too lazy to edit my mistake, sorry~~~)

Dont know how to describe it in english, it's so normal.....

by the way, I've some chinese hoya species like Hoya chinghungensis (this one is named after a city called Jing Hong area in Yunnan province) and linearis( I spell by impression, maybe wrong name) . If anyone are looking after these species, we might could have a exchange of plants or stems.

PIC 4,5,6 look to me as hoya sp. kunning kina....pic #1 and two look very like a Hoya globulosa but with much wider leafs and very prominant veination. I have no idea as to what the others might be.

ric

Fangray...how exciting to live in an area where you can collect hoyas in the wild. Do you have photos of any of the flowers of the plants you showed?

I don't think the first one is H. globulosa... And the long leafed one could be sp. Kunming Kina (is this area close to where you found that one?)

It isn't possible to upload more than one photo at a time...which is sad, but true!

Please share more pictures. I will check my sp. KK and see if the margins recurve as much on it as it shows in your photos.

Aloha,
Carol

I don't know what species number one and two are, but I definitely want them!! I love those leaves.

Species 3 could be Kunming Kina, I'll want for Carol's research as my plant is at home and I'm not. I think however, that the leaves do slightly recurve.

I agree with fangray that species 4 is probably australis.

Species # 5 has a very common shaped leaf, and there's no way I could even guess.

This is exciting! I'll be watching this thread for more opinions from others. Fangray, you are the envy of all of us hoya collectors from all over the world who will never in their lifetimes see our favourite plant in the wild.



Christine in Canada

I'm not sure if H. australis is native to China? I believe that H. australis is native to Australia and that's why it has "australis" as its species name. If anyone knows for sure, please chime in.

Christina's website (myhoyas.com) has this in her description of Hoya australis "This hoya comes from Australia and Oceania, but it has also been found in South East Asia and the Fiji Islands".

Fangray comes from Yun Nan Province in China (SW of China), and (I just did a Google Earth search) that is actually where Kunming is, so the plant that Carol thinks might be Kunming Kina, just might be.

China is also technically in south-east Asia, but China is also a mighty large country. Whether the one I think is australis is actually australis, will have to wait for a more expert eye, or a flower, which of course is the best way to ID any hoya.


Christine

Not to seem too geeky, but "australis" in this case doesn't mean "from Australia", but rather "southern"....In fact, "Australia" means literally "southern land" or "southern continent"....(I'm sorry, I was an English major and I just can't help myself :-D)

Other than that, I have no idea what those hoyas are, but they're VERY pretty and I'm VERY jealous...

SR

There are other leaves, not many, that could resemble H. australis, especially in a photo. It is possible, as H. australis is very prolific...seeds can be blown by winds (that IS a far way away and don't know if any prevailing winds blow in that direction)...they can be taken by birds...they can come from someone in a large city who's australis went to seed (my 'kapoho' is a wild vine growing down by the ocean).....

Off to the GH

Pic. #9 looks like H. plicata...but leaves DO LIE!!!

Why are the H. australis leaves so dry?

Shelley-I envy someone who can break down words like you. It would make gardening so much easier!

I say email them to Stemma and Mark may know.

thanks all of your help :)
FangRay, my chinese name and you can call me Yang for short :) I live just in kun Ming, the captical of Yun Nan province.
So i've written down the name Kunming Kina on the name lable of the long sturdy leave plant , thanks! :)

I ask about the flowers of these plants and were told the first species with dark pink flower, very nice, and will wait it bloom , also will wait the autralis like plant to flower.

I will keep uploading of my new findings(if there's any).
there's no need to envy me, in fact i really envy my foreinger friends studying or living here, they go anywhere arround the would just like move one city to another in his/her own country. you wont understand how complex chinese go abroad even go countries border with china or I would have more collections from Myanmar and Vietnam :)

at the last, dear Shelley , if you find any problem of my english gramma and spelling, help me correcting them :) thank you!

Yang,

Your English is much too charming to correct!

Agreed! As long as we can understand your meaning there's no need to correct anything---and your meaning is perfectly clear :-) You're doing an excellent job!

Shelley

Given the location...and looking at my plant, I think that long leafed hoyas IS H. sp. Kunming Kina...really one of my favorites. I have to put it on a tree to grow wild so it will grow leaves like that!!!!

Picture # 3 (species 2) looks like it could be Hoya pandurata:
http://www.apodagis.com/Hoyas/hoya_species/pandurata.htm

Picture # 7 (species 4) looks a lot like my plant of Hoya thailandica, which could exist in southern China too, and is related to Hoya australis:
http://www.hoyor.net/en/showspecies.php?id=184

Picture #1 & 2 (species 1)- globulosa and villosa look similar, they are in the Stemma photo gallery:
http://www.stemmajournal.com/Photo_Gallery.php?aa=0&si0=96
http://www.stemmajournal.com/Photo_Gallery.php?aa=0&si0=264

Yang -

You might want to check out this website - http://www.stemmajournal.com The photo gallery is exquisite and the articles are accurate and well researched by Mark (who wrote above...MarkRoy). There is a forum with membership from around the world....

Aloha

Thanks Mark, the SP 4 do look like thailandica and thanks for identifying the pandurata as well.
Carol, i book mark the wounderful website, many thanks for your recommendation!