SO..while / after reading Tonnys New E-book on our brugs. . [ SO>> How did the ones reading it.. like Tonnys first book.. I loved it..plentyof amazing pictures.. and lots to learn for me ]
http://surrow-hansen.com/FAQ_Brugmansia_ebooks.html
and awaiting his release of his next book on the uses of these plants with and by the natives.. I've been reading ..and rereading some of the books by Schultes.. in colobration with some other aurthors.. Schultes was Harvard trained and is the father of the ethnobotany.. he went to Colombia.. and other countries making up the Amazon Valley back about 1938.. he helped with the war efforts on the rubber trees there.. and was collecting and visiting from then onto about the early '60's.. living among the natives...talking to hundreds of medicine men..or payes as they are known.. from many different tribes and famlies of Indians.. His focus was the natives use of plants... generally.and their use of hallucinogenic and other sacred plants and their associated rituals in Indian life.. Plants of the Gods [ it 's out on loan.. ] and Vine of the Soul .. talk alot about Brugmansias..and their use in ceremony.... he's got plenty of pictures spanning a few decades he was living in the jungles..
There are lots of brugs he mentions..somequite unusual..with leaves of what looks like a brug leaf..mostly the central stem of the leaf.. the the rest of it eaten irregularly eaten by catapillars..making a thin leaf.. Mostly derived from the genetics of aureas..and beset they imagine by a virus..causing this abnormal leaf...and flower.. these unusal looking plants..[and yes there are plant picturesof this leaf/flower tree ] are known as kinde-borrachero . ..and another aurea clone known as munchiro borrachero ..and another cultivar of B.aurea known as...Methysticodendron Amesianum.. and known locally [ there ] as culebra borrachera... all interesting leaves..flowers...andsomesaidto be a very short tree..of only 6' or so.. [ small forthe jungle trees]
I've a few questions..
Are any of these unusual forms with shredded leaves / unusual flowers in collections..either personal or accademic.. [ Shultes says they are in the personal gardens of the payes.. ]
Shultes says there is perhaps a viral cause of this leaf shredding...is there any note of this virus in the other cultivars..and having made it out to the brugs in our general population.. [ I know just what we need.. another infestiation ]
One interesting note..a quote from a payes.. he says he's called on to go into trances quite often..and doesn't use brugs for this..as he believes it will lead to insanity.. and the reaction is so strong and convulsive as to be a real danger .. SO... if they don't use it ..and they are using lots of things... please don't think of it as an expermintal venu.. just crazy..
This message was edited Apr 12, 2009 5:02 AM
Brugs of Colombia and Tonnys E-Book
Gordon, who or what are 'the payes"? Preissler and Preissler mention those weird leafed Brugs as well and the names the Brugs go by. I don't remember whether they say if they are available outside their native habitat.
Hi Veronica... OH..A mercy reply.. Yes.. there seems to be some belief it isn't a viral happening to so shread the leaves... as it seems ,I' ve recently learned...
The local name means something like .. bush of catapillars .. they thought because it looked that way.. it sure does look like they were eaten though.. just because they never saw any..HA HA HA .. Iknow you can look for days in the living room for one.. much less in the wild.. I'll have to reread my preissler.. .. payes were the seers.. medicine men.. sooth sayers.. leaders of the spritual world and spritual ceremonies of the natives..
in the 40's or so when Schultes was looking for these shredded leafed plants... his thought was that they wern't even in the wild then.. but were in the gardens of these payes.. near their homes.... It's said...All of the brugs...are scarcely unpropigated.. even in the most remote of the jungles... the plants there now are the result of a long breeding program .. perhaps with an eye to flowers or scent..but more likely effect..
OH>Veronica.. I have bad news... our plant didn't make it... soglad we hadn't split it yet.. I thought at the time the greenhouse there .. might have been a better bet for it's survival
8-( That's the second Earth Angel I've lost. The one I personally lost developed that mysterious distorted thickened leaf ailment that looks like a broadmite attack but is not cured by Avid. I had another 3 Brugs come down with it this winter. It has got to be either weather related or a nutrient deffiency because most seem to send out healthy new growth when fertilized. No Avid used. Earth Angel never did send out healthy growth. Her new growth looked healthy until the leaves grew to about 2" in length. Then they became distorted and thickened.
Kaitlyn is still producing distirted leaves. I'm hoping I don't lose her.
PS: Are you n***a on eBay?
MMMMM.. some are more difficult ..for some.. some are more difficult....it was in the most favored spot..insome great morning light .. and 6' away from the 400 w. light..and it started to weaken.. soit went to live under the 6 bulb T-3 array.... my thought now is perhaps it doesn't do bright light very well... or perhaps it's the heat.. next one I see .. I'll be thinking cool and darker..for it..
NO.. I'm not that one.. bid away on it.. I only do GordonHawk..that would be G***K I guess.. Doozie was my last E-Bay score.. from Eddie .. he also has them at his site Worldofbrugmansia.com but on E-Bay it was at a lowered rate . so I got to bid on a new Iochroma and have it shipped in.. at the same time