Hi everyone.
We've had several previous threads discussing which cameras, lens, etc. we use for our bird photos. Well, I wanted to revive that topic; but with an emphisis on the camera settings, techniques, editing software, etc. we use for our bird photography.
To get good bird photos, there are 3 camera setting to consider … ISO, Shutter Speed, and Aperture. Below is a brief explanation of these settings and some of my personal bird photo failures and triumphs.
ISO
The ISO setting controls how sensitive the camera's sensor is the available light.
Many digital cameras allow you to choose the ISO setting. If you select a higher ISO setting, the camera becomes more light sensitive. This allows the camera to use a faster shutter speed (to spot the action) and/or a smaller aperture (to give a greater depth of field) and still achieve the proper exposure. There is a trade off though. The graininess of the photo increases at higher ISO settings.
Most of the information I've read about wildlife photography has said don't set the ISO above 200, so I just went along with that recommendation (boy was I dumb to believe that; but more about that later).
SHUTTER SPEED
The shutter speed controls how long the lens remains opened when you take a picture. To capture a moving object and have it appear as though it is standing still, you generally need a shutter speed or 1/500th or faster. At slower shutter speeds, your photo can have at least some minor motion blur.
Many digital cameras have a shutter priority mode. In shutter priority mode, you choose the shutter speed and the camera automatically chooses the aperture setting that will render a properly exposed picture.
APERTURE (F/Stop)
When it comes to photography, aperture settings are one of the most confusing topics. The aperture setting controls how wide the len diaphragm opens when you take a picture. Depending on the individual camera lens, this opening can be anywhere from a pin hole all the way up to the full diameter of the lens. Among other things, the size of this opening controls the depth of field (e.g. the extent to which the foreground, main subject, and background are in focus).
With bird photos, a blurry background can be a good thing because it allows the main subject to stand out. At the same time, the depth of field needs to be deep enough to have the entire bird (beak to tail) in good sharp focus.
Without going into a lot of technical detail, the aperture setting is measured in f/stops (1.4, 2.8, 5.6, 8, etc.). If you choose a larger f/stop setting (f/8), it will produce a picture with more of the foreground and background in focus. With a smaller f/stop setting (f/4), you'll get more foreground and background blur.
PERSONAL EXPERIENCES
As we all know, most birds prefer areas where they feel protected. This usually means a shady tree branch or similar. I'm seldom lucky enough to find birds sitting out in the open sun.
Over the years, I've owned a number of different point-and-shoot digital cameras. About 3 years ago, I bought my first DSLR … a Canon Rebel Xti. Despite the great reviews on the Rebel, I never could seem to get any good bird photos with it.
I tried using shutter priority mode, with a fast shutter speed (those little birds just don't stand still and pose for me); but the automatically selected aperture would frequently have the bird's head in focus and its tail out of focus.
Next, I tried using aperture priority (selecting an f/8 aperture setting) in order to keep the whole bird in focus. When I did this, my camera automatically set a slower shutter speed; which often resulted in a picture that had motion blur.
I also tried out all of the preset camera modes (landscape, sports, portrait, etc.); but the results were equally disastrous.
As I mentioned earlier, I had believed what I read about never using an ISO setting above 200; so I never really experimented with changing the ISO setting.
Frustrated with the poor quality images I was getting, I ended up putting my DSLR (the most expensive camera I own) on the shelf and going back to using my Panasonic Lumix point-and-shoot camera.
Last month, I loaned my Canon Rebel Xti to a friend and she managed to take some excellent photos with it … much better than anything I ever took. When I got my camera back, I decided to give it another try. I was shocked when I looked at the pictures on my computer. They were actually pretty good, even in low light/shade. Although the pictures were a bit grainy, the whole bird was in focus and there was no motion blur. I checked my camera settings to see what had changed and discovered that my friend had changed the ISO setting to 1600. Wow, what a difference that made!
The quail photo here is one that I shot using the higher ISO and it came out much better than any of my previous attempts.
One tip ... You can always use photo editing program to help soften excess graininess; but there really isn't anything I can do to fix an out of focus shot. I think I'll be using my DLSR a bit more now and also using the higher ISO setting when the lighting calls for it.
INVITATION TO EVERYONE
For many of you, I know this post contains some real basic information; but maybe it will help some of the other folks.
This forum has some real pros when it comes to photographing our feathers friends. I'd like to invite everyone to use this thread to share those tips and tricks that we can all benefit from.
Also, if you're having problems getting good bird photos, tell us about it. Maybe someone can help solve your problem.
One topic that I'd love some help with is how to best deal with a badly backlit situation. Sometimes, there's just nowhere I can move in order to get a better lighting angle; so does anybody have any tips for minimizing that awful silhouette effect?
(Edited to correct typos ... one day I may learn how to type ... LOL)
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Photographing Birds ... Technicques, Tips and Questions
Thanks Jane! Sweet quail! I'm sure Linth and others can help you.
Wonderful thread! Hope to see great tips...
Remember there is some tips for photographing birds in the Sticky.
Jane I would like to hear what everyone has to say about back lighting also.
I guess the most important thing is getting close with what ever optical zoom one has on their camera. That means for most of us that we need to get pretty close. One way is spending a lot of time out with the birds getting them to see that you mean no harm. Another is bringing the feeders in close so the pics can be made through a window. Then if you don't have any branches close you can add some fake ones so the pics will look more natural. In the wild it means having a lot of patience either moving slow or being still and letting the birds come to you. In the water it means using a trolling motor or even drifting closer while being quiet and still in the boat.
As you have said; We don't always get enough light. That means tweaking the photos a little in a good software. Picassa 3 works as good as any other for that and it is free from google. Those pics made with a high ISO will need to be run through a good noiseware. I think a stand alone noiseware works much better than those in do everything software.
The general rules of photography should always be on your mind. The rule of thirds really does make a difference. A few simple photography classes can never hurt. A number of camera, printer and computer manufacturers offer free courses.
The most important thing is have fun and enjoy what you do.
PROBLEM: How do I stop trying to get more pics of the same bird that I already have hundreds of pics? I suppose all cameras and this forum should have a warning; PHOTOGRAPHING BIRDS WILL BECOME ADDICTIVE.
LOL!
But the next pic might be the best one I ever made.
So true!
That word "addictive" sure describes what I have become. And so what if it's the same bird? I have hundreds of photos of my birds and every time that last photo has become my favorite and the best I've taken.
I sure don't get tired of seeing the "same birds" that someone is posting. Sometimes that wing shot is just a little clearer, or the bird's head is just crooked to the side enough to give it personality. I say if it gives you a smile, it's worth sharing with others.
Thank you Jane for starting this. I have never used that 1600 ISO and will have to try it. I have the XTi and am still learning how to use it properly. Since there is no chance for any classes in our area, I just try to teach myself from what I read.
I'm always hoping that the next one will be the best shot too!! Glad to know others feel the same about posting the same bird a lot!
I'm always hoping that the next shot will be the "one", too. But, it usually isn't! Thank goodness for the delete button! I'll be watching this thread for some helpful tips. Gotta get focused for the hummingbirds!
I'm probably more guilty of repeatedly shooting the same bird than anyone, anywhere.
Since 2005 I have been shooting eastern bluebirds and their young. By conservative estimate I have more than 100,000 pictures of them saved on external hard drives. Who knows how many tens of thousands more I have deleted. I have three cameras loaded and ready at all times. I never go out in the car without one. But when I jump up from the table in the middle of supper and run to a window, or outside with a camera, my wife just shakes her head--or says "How many do you need?" But as Frank said, I tell her the next in-flight shot may be so good I'll be satisfied with it.
So I keep taking 300 to 500 'most every day and some days I may shoot as many as 2,000. The hardest thing is locating a particular shot when someone asks for a copy. That can sometimes take hours.
No doubt it is an addiction.
Dave
A contagious addiction that some of us just love the product of...
Keep Sharing the Keepers!
Glad I am not the only one jumping up from the dinner table! :)
Gosh me too! I see the eyes roll when I pick up the camera! Let's face it though, what better addiction could there be other than flowers and dogs of course!!
I am still such a beginner and continue to learn and play with my settings as I go along so I NEED 200 pics a day!
Speaking of back lighting problems.
Here is a shot taken a few minutes ago. Not the best example of back lighting but it does pose a problem nonetheless. The sun is just rising and is shining from the right, so the important parts of the bird are shadowed. The round light behind her is the sun reflecting off a car window several blocks away. I like the effect of the round light and that she has her mouth open, so I want to keep the picture.
First I cropped the image to the size I wanted.
Wow great job!
I am just gonna have to buy me a editing program some day.....
I downloaded Google's free Picasa 3 yesterday after reading the posts here. I haven't played much with it, but it's pretty dang good. There is one of the basic fixes called "I'm feeling lucky" and every time I've used it on a photo I've already worked on, it came out better.
Dave do you use photoshop? I just got it and am trying my best with it. A lot of features I'll never use of course. What kind of camera and lens do you have?
I use ACDSee Pro for 99 percent of my everyday editing . It is rather expensive ($150), but I need its heavy duty browser to open and quickly navigate through folders that have more than 1,000 images in them. Its editing functions are quite good too and very easy to use. I do have Photoshop CS but only use it if I am working on an extensive editing project.
I used ACDSee on the bird picture I posted above and the entire process took about 30 seconds. That picture was taken with a Canon EOS 40D with a Canon 300mm f/2.8 lens.
Dave
Dave, I love that light reflection next to the bird. I'll also never tire of seeing those gorgeous Bluebirds that you post. I'm guilty, too, for jumping up from the table, but I also have the camera on my table next to me every day. Lots of my shots are taken through the window and thank goodness my hubbie doesn't mind when I interrupt a sentence to grab the camera up.
Does anyone have any good advice for taking early morning sun photos of birds in the trees? It always seems like the sun is too bright on them in my photos.
Thanks Dave, your pictures are always so nice I was curious. Photoshop isn't real user friendly but for free I'll give it a go for now.
Duc I try to have the sun to my back or side if I can, but you probably already know that! LOL I have a shade cover for my telephoto lens that helps too. I you can also purchase lens covers that act as filters like sunglasses I believe. What camera do you have?
Just a sample of what can be done with one mouse click in Picasa. I took this pic of a baby bunny last Sunday through my bedroom window which has a screen on the bottom portion. Photo was almost not worth sharing. It was cloudy, a late snow storm blowing through. When I first spotted the bunny he had dug out a shelter in my toad house and was snuggled back in it. I took a couple of pics and they were so bad I deleted them in the camera. A mistake. Always see what you can do with the computer before you decide to delete.
Here is the original photo and I'll post the Picas enhanced photo in a subsequently.
That's impressive RDR
I tried Picasa last summer but got confused. Maybe I will give this one a shot. That is pretty impressive!
Yes, that is impressive reddirt. Cute bunny too.
Luvgrtdanes, I do already use a shade cover, but didn't know about the filters. I'll have to look into them. Thanks.
I have a Canon Rebel XTi. My hubbie says the problem is my Canon 70-300mm IS zoom lens. We tried putting a UV filter on it and it caused double imaging. For this reason, he doesn't think any other filter won't do the same thing. Does anyone else have the same problem with this lens?
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I have the same camera but the lens I bird with is a Sigma 50-500mm. I do have a really short Canon lens. Maybe I'll have to try it sometime and get back to you.
Maybe 2dCousinDave can help, he has Canon lenses. Same for dellrose I think.
Duc I use an xti and use the 70 to 300 lens with a UV filter. I have never had any problems.
Resin, specifically what did you adjust? Which version of Photoshop do you use? I have been thinking about buying one. I hate to spend the money for the CS4 version. It's over $300 and wonder if the cheap Elements version is even worth buying. Will it do anything Picasa won't?
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