I have heard how wrong it is to help the little guys, but it has been days since this one pipped.. he has been yelling for 4 days... no zip at all, no new cracks.. just what I call distress chirps. I have waited and watched.. I finally decided to take action this morning.
I was SO scared.. I would not recommend it for the tender tummy..
I took it very slow and easy, cracking the shell in a zip pattern, then peeling little bits of the shell so I could see the membraine. I had read to go real slow here and you can clip the membrain a tiny bit at a time, but the second you get blood to put them back in the incubator for 20 minutes, then start again.
It has taken a few hours but he is now out.. I got NO blood at all, BUT.. there was a bit of poo in there.. the yolk has all been absorbed.. and he is still rolled up in his egg shape.
I put him back in the incubator.. he is kicking around like crazy acting like he's trying to get out of the egg.. it's pretty cool to watch.. he has also poo'd again, which tells me, he has just about used up his yolk and probably needs some water and food soon.
I hope he makes it, and don't regret my heroic measures at all, I am not sure why he didn't hatch right, I had two before him and 1 during hatch just fine.. just a fluke.. but at least he has a chance.
Helping peel out
Sounds like he may not be wired right... no zipping and just kicking around may be sign of neurological dysfunction. =o(
Still, hope the little guy makes it.
Hope it's up and walking soon. I would have done the same thing.. I don't regret those I helped.. even if it wasn't right.. I've saved several..
Seems the ones that have a hard time hatching have a reason for not hatching.. but there are exceptions.. :)
Those I've hatched that "scuttle" rather than get up and walk, don't make it.. :(
Good Luck to the lil booboo baby.. :)
Wow Frans that is kind of awesome what you are doing.
I would not hesitate to stick my arm in a horse that was delivering breech, it is just the animal instinct that we all have..
Keep us informed
I think Jay might be right about the nero..
..
I had put him back in the incubator to "hatch". That was amazing in itself because he went through all the "real" motions of hatching.. pecking at nothing twirling in this slow mothodical way. then finally pushing his feet until he was "out", then flopped everywhere because he was finally free.. LOL
I moved him over to the brooder where he could be warm and dry, at first he just would move backwards.. but now he goes to the left also.. not sure I've seen him go forward yet. BUT he is still with us and looking good.
Wonder if maybe his wee-wittle brain got froze when mamma laid him?
People have accused me of being dropped on my head... I can relate little guy!
May the food and water always be on your left! Hang in there...
there's plenty of room here for another differently abled featherhead! LOL
Frans, I do hope the best for the little guy. I have heard of people helping chicks and them being fine. You never know!!! ;)
It was no suprise, but we lost little 'Radio" last night. he was doing pretty good, but slept almost all the time, unless you were handling him, then he would stay away the whole time you had him.
I feel sort of bad, but glad it is now out of my hands and I don't have to make any decisions. I want to save everybody, but there does come a time when you have to realize there is more to all this than just trying to save. I don't mean to sound crule, I have been thinking very seriously about Radio.. What exactly was I saving? and why? What for?
Even when I got past the self-serving reasons such as space, food etc. there was still quality of life... I really don't know where he was going, and who am I to make that decision..
Could someone else tell me how they make those decisions? What is your checklist? Do you have a certian space percetage set aside for (sorry) dead-weight. I didn't know how else to word that, trust me it is NOT how I feel at ALL.
I currently have Peggle, a Marans Roo who was frostbitten and lost a few toes, he has been in my living room for over a month and has bonded with my DH, his dog and my cat are VERY jealous.. but peggle is HERE to stay.. we are still not 100% sure he will not lose the foor totally but I hear they can be very functional. Just not in the house.. LOL
I will miss little Radio.. 3 days, and I did try.. he didn't lack, love, warmth, or touch.
Frans I am sure you did everything possible to make Radio happy. I like the part where you said he slept unless you were holding him, and as you stated you gave him Love, Warmth and touch... In my book you are one of my hero's. It is wonderful to know compassion for the animal life is alive and well. I read about it here on DG and it truly warms my heart.
God Bless Radio and you Frans as well.
Fran It's a very hard decisions and it's one we have to make for ourselves. This last hatch i had was late and didn't go very well and i had 5 hatch normally but then had 2 pip the next day and not hatch i decided after 10 hours of them lying peeping i checked for blood and found none and slowly opened the egg. The chick fell out of the egg and laid in a fetal position until it was almost dry then stumbled around but kept ending up on his back. The second one was like the first it fell out and did the same only it did get it's footing it walked with it's head twisted to one side tho. The next morning the hatch had been going for 3 days and there was a egg with a chicks head sticking out the side. I let it out and it laid like the others then got up and did walk around and there was another pip i waited most of the day for it to hatch and opened the egg and it laid curled up and never moved again. I sadly put it down and removed the 3 dry chicks and threw the rest of the eggs away.
I waited 2 days and the flipper hadn't stood on his own and the one who had only his head out of the egg peeped constantly. The little twisted neck one slept alot and didn't move much but he did get up and walk some.
All the other chicks were eating and drinking and these just laid and slept. I finally made the desion to put the blue one down it was becomeing thin and still peeped constantly. I gave the flipper a little longer but he never got up and mostly slept. I put the twisted neck one in with the other chicks and he slowly started eating and drinking.
My next hatch if this happens again i will not open a egg i did already know that the reason they don't hatch is they are to weak too.
I knew better yet i did it anyway.......
I saw nothing that i saved or did was right as they weren't meant to be here and i brought them here anyway.
I feel as tho i may have interfered where i shouldn't have and i was the one who had to fix what i did.
I don't know what went wrong with the hatch i haven't looked at my records i kept to see what if anything i could have changed to make the out come different.
This was my experience and it is not meant to sat anyone is wrong if they do or do not open a egg. I've heard of successes from some that have but also the pain when it just wasn't meant to be......
So to answer Fran it's up to you because we all feel differently about things and i wouldn't want to say don't open them and you be upset watching a peeping egg.
But that being said i wouldn't tell you to open one either and have you suffer maybe haveing to put one down.
It's a hard call to make and it's up to us as individuals to make that decision for ourselves
Sorry for your loss♥
I totally agree, Harmony. {{{Hugs}}} to both of you for your losses.
I agree with everything you just wrote Harmony.. I just don't know if the same thing happened even today, if I could just wait to see what the outcome would be. I am sure I may hesitate.. but I would guess in the long run, I wouldn't sit and wait.
What you discribe is very close to exactly what happened, except Radio seemed a little better off than your guys, but he was in that same fetel position for a few hours after I peeled him free.
What a tough call though.. and now I think I am learning why I had the sterotypical dry-faced gruff farmer Ideal in my head all throughout my life..
It has to do with tough decisions, and the outside world not realizing your heart is breaking, it appears to them your only doing a job.
Know how you fell Fran♥
My hat is off to all of you who raise chicks out of the egg. I am not sure I could do it. Thank you all for sharing.
I am so sorry Fran. Radio had a Blessed three days and lacked for nothing. ♥
Bump