A friend posted this on another site and I have no clue...
"Been meaning to ask this for a couple of weeks. D sent me an e-mail with this question and I don't have an answer... Anyone ever had a variegated revert? I sent Maya cuttings to 4 people I believe... D, T, M, and A. Would love to know what the rest of yours are doing. I kept 2 cuttings for myself. Both of mine are solid green now and D says that 2 out of her 3 are solid green. I promise ya'll that these were all varigated when I cut, lol.... So strange because I've rooted tons of of this one over the last few years and never seen one revert. Is this possible or an I losing it?
What do you think???
Kylie
Looking for an answer..
Kylie.. Haven't had a varigated brug but have lot sof other varigated plants that when doing cuttings have reverted. Now some times, if they revert and you cut them back again and maybe a few more times evrytime they root and gro wup some, sometimes youc na get th varigation back. Whe nyou do usually that is a stable cuttign then that will keep it's varigation.
I've been interested in getting more information on variegated Brugs. This is what I found about Maya:
Quoting:
Some host cultivars repeatedly produce the same sport in various parts of the world and/or at different times, in which case the sport is regarded as the same cultivar even though it has arisen repeatedly. An example is the variegated Brugmansia ‘Maya’, which repeatedly produces sport branches with a consistently different variegation pattern and color (which has not yet been named in this case).
From angelstrumpets-datura.co.uk
It seems that Mayan genetics may be unstable enough to either revert or produce a different variegation. Axelrose is a sport from Maya.
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/65338/
As Starlight suggests, try removing the greenshoots to see if other variegated shoots form. There may be dormant buds on the cuttings so be patient with the process before you toss. Unless you have lots of cuttings to spare, then you can toss and start again. You might keep one on just out of curiosity — to see what you end up. Maybe once the plant makes outside, any green on green variegation may appear.
Very interesting... My Maya cuttings are looking normal with normal varigation.
Does someone have a photo you can post?
Photo of Maya
There were numerous cuttings taken and several have reverted and others have not...
Kylie
Is that how you can tell if they are varigated when yellow is on the leaves.How do you varigate?
Almost all variegated Brugs are sports off a host plant. Not all variegations have yellow. Most have some white or cream on the leaves. Snowbank, one of my favorites is all white and green:
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/11159/
I've seen photos of a few variegated seedlings. They seem to be rather weak and very slow growers. Crossing a variegated with a green leafed Brug usually results in albino seedlings which die soon after sprouting.
Kylie, do you have photos of the reverted leaves? How large are the leaves?
Wish I knew the name of Maya's host plant. I can't find that information anywhere.
Yes I can get the pic's.. LOL give me a min.
A couple of weeks ago I cut down all my brugs------saving a number of them as long stalks preserving the Y. I have never done this before------had just saved small pieces of the stalk. Now, they have the white nubbies on the stems in the water. Do I have to plant them in pots now-----or can they remain in the water until spring? I have them on a glassed in porch where the temperature stays about 50-60.
Thanks,
Shirleyd
Zone 7b
If the temperatures were cooler, I'd say you can leave them in the water till spring, but since they won't go dormant at those temperatures, you may end up having to pot them up before spring. You'll have to play it by ear. If they remain healthy, they may be alright in water.
I have all my brugs potted up and they just had the nubbies on them.They are in my green house in a mist box.They're putting out new leaves on all of them.The good part was that they did not even go in to shock when i did that.
I prefer long cuttings like that and have held them thru the Winter.. I did have an air stone in the water to help keep it moving and clean.. They were in a room in the house with the fan running and the heat vent closed.. Lots of light tho..They did fine..
How exciting Which ones are they??
Kylie
Kylie. Those that have cuttings that have not reverted. If they take cuttings and those cuttings do not revert, then that wil be a pretty good sign that the genes at least from that part of the plant are stable.
Starlight, what I find fascinating about Maya is that it is unstable enough to produce other sports variegated or not or in Kylie's case reverts. I am interested in seeing if these green leaves are all green or if they are a copy of Axlerose. Wintertime doesn't give you a true picture of what the new leaves look like especially if they don't the light they need to exhibit that variegation. Grazie is a variegated import from Germany. Cannagirl was growing it in too much shade and the variegation barely showed up on the leaves. Grown in sunlight, the variegation is clearly seen.
Quoting:
Some host cultivars repeatedly produce the same sport in various parts of the world and/or at different times, in which case the sport is regarded as the same cultivar even though it has arisen repeatedly. An example is the variegated Brugmansia ‘Maya’, which repeatedly produces sport branches with a consistently different variegation pattern and color (which has not yet been named in this case).
From angelstrumpets-datura.co.uk:
I have an albino branch on my Maya and the beginnings of a branch with a lot more white than usual, Time will tell if it remains that way.
Thanks to those of you who responded about what to do with cuttings that begin to put on nubbies or roots. It will be difficult to pot all the stalks (2-3 feet tall)with the Y that I cut------but will try. I may just try to pot a few and take a chance on the others. They are not any particular variety, but I was wanting earlier blooms than I normally get----August or Sept. usually. At this time I am just turning the heat down to 50 and hope that they will rest till I can get pots and dirt together.
Shirleyd
How exciting for you Betty! I hope you cna keep those albino traits and keep it alive to bloom. I like varigated and the more albino they are the better. If you can get an albino to bloom and the bloom itself shows albino traits and can get viable pollen from it, you have a better chance of producing those impossible colors. Lots of work in tryign to resuce the embryos from these albino crosses, but oh the possibilities are exciting of what you could play with. : )
Gonna keep my fingers crossed for you that it stays an albino. : )
I have a varigated sport of a tree I have been workign with for years, and almost have it stablized. I have noticed one of the main probes with keeping the varigation is not only light conditions, but the biggest thing has been the types of soil the cuttings have been planted in. before I can even think about registering it, it has to be able to survive and hold its varigation under al types of conditions. Right now, a more sandy clay loam and the varigation holds good, give it a rich organic matter and it starts reverting and has to be cut back and the cuttings started over. Lots of work, but hopefully one day I will have success.
The albino branch has to remain attached to the mother plant. It won't survive on its own since it can't produce its own nutrients. Albino branches are not that rare. They are more of a curiosity. I dont how long anyone has kept such a branch on their mother plant. It does draw energy from, but doesn't contribute anything to the mother plant. I've found that the more white Brug leaves have the more they tend to scorch in the sun. I have to keep my Snowbank out of direct sunlight to keep the leaves from getting damaged. I would think an albino branch would suffer from sun scorch also. I'll find out this spring and summer.
When you have your variegated tree stabilized, you'll have to post a photo of the leaves.
You are welcome Shirleyd.
Not all the leaves on my Axelrose are variegated .
All the leaves on my miners claim and peaches and cream are tho .
The miners claim is a very slow grower for me .
Not sure if I have snowbank or snowball but haven't noticed variegated leaves tho .
I have another variegated one but can't remember the name .
I simply adore my Maya and never heard of a reversion or it being hard to root before-except in the winter. I have traded and sold many of her cuttings for years and never heard a bad word. I've always kept her in a pot and root trim and add fresh soil and Osmacote each spring--she's worth it! I love to trim her so her canopy is as perfect as I can get it, lol, I love her scent too.
That's a wonderful looking specimen, Vi. Mine is just a cutting although my Sunset, a Maya under another name, is about 2' tall. I think Maya's tendency to produce sports is enough to keep her in my collection in hopes of seeing her produce something unusual.
On some 'Snowbank' .. if the trunk dies back to the ground in winter, it will come up again no variegation )-;
IF the plants from your cuttings died back to come up anew, possibly they could lose variegation. But I personally have never had 'Maya' revert.
On 'Sublime' .. she will throw an occasional all green sport from the base that I immediately remove.
That's an interesting note on Snowbank. Mine is still in a pot because I don't have a day-long shady spot in the ground. Have you had that happen to one of your Snowbank? Is there a chance some new shoots are variegated? I wonder what the mechanism is that causes that reversion and why it doesn't happen under normal circumstances.
It happens on the young 'Snowbanks'. If they happen to die back in winter, some will produce new shoots that come back green.
My first 'Snowbank' is a big tree and has never had reversions.
One of my initial tray of 'Snowbanks' started out regular and the went green at the top to lose all it's variegation to turn all green which we called 'Greenbank'. But that is the only one I ever had do that.
The trunk of 'Greenbank' then sported the unnamed variegate the following spring which I showed before... of which I removed and successfully rooted. After that grew into a tree, one of it's branches sported 'SubLime'.
Nothing that interesting has happened since. ha
This message was edited Dec 9, 2008 10:45 AM
How different from Snowbank and Sublime was the variegation on 'Greenbank's sport?
"The trunk of 'Greenbank' then sported the unnamed variegate the following spring which I showed before... of which I removed and successfully rooted.:
I am confused. If the sports sprouted from the trunk, why was it unnamed? Why would it no be called the same as the plant trunk?