Pure Brugmansia aurea

Brussels, Belgium

This Brugmanisa aurea is from Columbia.This is the first day on this pure Brugmansia aurea and is a wild collected specimen, yes I'm excited to see what she hold in her genes for me to explore. Super thick substance (corolla wall aka flower wall) resulting in a few cracks in the flower as I carefully attempted pollination as I did not want to disturb the flower as I realize this pod may not even form or stay during the winter months, but it does have top priority along with two other seed pods I am nursing along from my arborea collection. This is not my best picture nor is it the best she has produced. Poor lighting both for the camera and for the plant has resulted in yellowing of the calyx as well as an enlarged calyx at the end that is a bit exaggerated due to changes in the growing conditions making this one not as uniform as it should be. Still, I am sharing it with you guys. I'll post more pictures as she opens up and in better light. Just realize that you will still not be seeing this one as it is meant to be seen as poor growing conditions do affect a plants growth as well as phenotype to a certain degree. Probably not noticeable to most... but I'll put it out there for your consideration. This one is from Columbia.


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Brussels, Belgium

This is a better picture of the same flower grown under optimal conditions. Notice the vast difference! This is another reason you shouldn't judge a flower based on its winter flowers if you can't provide those flowers with optimal growing environments during the entire time they are developing.
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2461298970104088040vLTKRv?vhost=home-and-garden



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Clermont, FL(Zone 9b)

Nice form! I sure hope you can expand upon those genes Eric. Good luck with your pollination attempts.

Brussels, Belgium

Form is nice, substance is divine in this one. The color is something that I have not fully recorded in pictures yet, but it is not a pure white so I am expecting this one will be exceptional for those wanting to breed a nice pure species white aurea as well as a few in color, albeit probably paler than most would like. Personally, I like white, very pale, or very dark. I don't like those that are just mediocre in color other than for breeding as I know they can throw out much darker seedlings than they themselves are and then one has to look at form, fragrance, etc. This pure aurea above smells distinctly of vanilla and very strongly so.

Brookhaven, PA(Zone 6b)

That is certainly exceptional, Eric!

Seale, AL(Zone 8b)

She's beautiful Eric! I bet your excited! Look forward to seeing other pictures of her as you get them. I too wish you alot of success with getting some new genes from her.

Brussels, Belgium

I'll be honest, guys and gals alike, I like this one most for its fragrance. I like Brugmansia that have a nice strong fragrance and I especially like this one. Pure vanilla! I can honestly say if I was ever to lose my sight, I'd almost not care if I could simply have this one blooming nearby to keep me company. Okay, perhaps I'm exaggerating a bit here, but it sure would go good in a garden for the blind. Throw in some jasmine on the back fence and some geraniums as a ground cover and yeah, I could be in my kind of heaven.

Brookhaven, PA(Zone 6b)

Eric, I certainly agree with you! Vanillla and Jasmine are the best fragrances In have ever had the pleasure of inhaling!

Lemon is my third favorite!

"A garden for the blind" What a wonderful thought.

Oh if only.......

La Grange, TX(Zone 8b)

She's gorgeous, Eric. The corollar area around the ribs appear as a peachy tan that extends all the way to the ends of the tendrils. What color is that shading? I wish you success as you explore her genetic potential. I hope you don't lose that wonderful fragrance!

(Debra) Derby, KS(Zone 6a)

Eric, I am glad that one has a strong fragrance.. I too surround myself in wonderful fragrant flowers in my back patio.. if this one smells like vanilla that would be perfect! The only vanilla scent I have found in a plant so far is the Heliotrope sans marina 2000, a purple flower.. would be lovely to have a heady vanilla scented brug on the patio! ( I like her shape as well)

Coal Center, PA(Zone 6a)

This one is very nice :-)
It will be great to see what you get in crossing this one.

Marysville, WA(Zone 8a)

Congratulations on your first captive bloom of this one Eric! What did you cross it with?
- Tom

Brussels, Belgium

Tom,
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070314-hybrids.html

My aurea x aurea crosses... what can I say. I'm keeping some of them a secret, but the genetics will be as pure as anyone could hope for. With that said, let me clarify my thinking where it concerns pure aurea or any pure species. To be absolutely certain there is no certainty. What I mean by this is that anyone studying population drift, etc. will soon run into debates as to how far back the differentiation resulted in phenotype that we can now call an independent species. More drift and hybridization becomes less and less frequent between the different species until isolation may or may not produce plants that are also incapable of breeding together under normal means of fertilization or simply from geographic isolation. If your following this and have studied a bit on the subject then you realize that whether you are a fundamental lumper or splitter it doesn't really matter... what matters is that you love one particular expression or version that you can see (phenotype), but you have to be honest and realize that even after seeing a seed pod or even seedlings that we are all as related to one another as each plant is to each other. What I mean by this is that our separation of species or groups is largely arbitrary. Take people and races of people for instance. Do you really think there is such a thing as a pure race? Not likely, we are after all all connected by land and there is no law natural or otherwise that says we can't find a mate with our neighbor 2 miles away and our children do the same and this has happened for as long as time has been. Geographic isolation, method of pollination, etc. It is all in the eyes of the beholder. Take statistics. Many try to use statistics to show that their hybrid is pure. If you cross B. aurea x B. versicolor you have a 50/50 mix of both sets of genetics if you concede that you believe each is pure. Now crossing B. aurea 50% x B versicolor 50% to a pure 100% aurea.... you have no assurance that the 50% from your first cross was not entirely from your B versicolor portion of your first cross. You can cross as many times as you wish and you can never be 100% sure! Now, how can you be sure your pure species was in fact a pure species and didn't carry a single chromosome from a B suaveolens? The answer is simple: You can't! With that said, I can put myself into different trains of thoughts where I can trick myself into believing one truth over another, but reality is still reality which to me has always been a bit blind at times. Another good reason to look at the traits you like and go after them. Hybrids like Kaitlyn can be classified as pure species aurea utilizing one approach to this thinking and in all honesty they are as potentially pure as any collected specimen from the wild that shows a clear phenotype of pure aurea. I like to argue as I hope in arguing one point or another that someone will point out the absurdity in my logic which by the way is how many of us think. In the end, I love those hybrids called pure aurea for many reasons. Fragrance, substance, growth, etc. all taken in and expressed in a unique form that to me... simply puts me in a place of being where I am content with simply being and then the wanting starts back up and I desire an improvement to the shape, substance, etc. I seek to magnify those traits that I find most abundant in the aurea species or at least what we have agreed to call the aurea species. Where does one species end and other begin? Who has the purest of the pure? We can only have an ideal that we seek to magnify in one form or another. Pure to another will simply mean a plant that can be crossed to another of similar appearance and give one less deviation from that norm.... enough said.

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Victoria, BC(Zone 8a)

What a beautiful flower.

Brussels, Belgium

Joeswife,
I love Heliotrope myself as well. Very nice strong fragrances from that group. I have several in the garden and it is one of the few plants that I always buy when I travel to a new place.
BettyDee,
This one has a few hidden surprises as far as color is concerned, more to be explained in pictures soon. You have to realize though that colors that are infrequent or not very strong can always be brought out by the right cross if you grow enough seedlings out or just get plain lucky with one seedling. This one has some strong potential for colors we all desire in a pure form species. I think I finally have my two aurea that will give me a color I've longed to see in a pure aurea species.

Seale, AL(Zone 8b)

Thanks to Debra's enabling I bought some of the Helitrope Marine for its vanilla fragrance.

"This one has some strong potential for colors we all desire in a pure form species. I think I finally have my two aurea that will give me a color I've longed to see in a pure aurea species."

Can just hear the excitement and longing in your voice. : ) Can imagine you out there tending hundreds and hundreds of tiny seedlings from your cross.

Even if they happen to start out looking the same, who knows what genes they are gonna through as you make all your crosses. I see a major project over many years going on, but also possibly seeing you getting something special too. I wish you much lucky and lots of success and it wil be interesting over the years, to see the fruits of your labor. : )

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