I finally got the call and it was a shock seemed i would have to take the whole order 10,000 doses i bout fell out said it would be $61.50.
I would be receiving 10 bottles with 1,000 doses per bottle she said we probably wouldn't have anybody wanting it so i would have to take it all. Sometimes us chicken folks are really taken for granted!!
I said okay and she said i'll call you back and tell you when to expect it after the call i thought uh oh on alot of the web sites you had to buy the needles so i call back and she would call and check.
So i'm busy trying to get Doves sorted for the sale and the phone rings NO NEEDLES and they didn't carry them so sorry shall i cancel the order i felt my heart draw up and i said it's not any good to me without the needles. (I cried and X!#@!X#)
Decided to go web surfing guess i could wait a week or so maybe too many birds wouldn't get sick so i threw the cage i was working on halfway across the yard and came to the house.
The phone rings and intensifies the drilling headache i had acquired after the first and second call now what and who was this?
It was the lady at the feed store good news the girl at the supply company opened the box and the needles were inside ( she was giggling as she said this if she only knew) your order will be here first of next week.
So first of next week i will have 10,000 doses of fowl pox vaccine seems god may be telling me i need more birds.
Is it illegal to sell this stuff i mean what am i going to do with it all??
I was thinking that i could vaccinate my new birds that i get if the expiration date on it don't run out to soon.
Wonder if i could put it in our market bulletin guess i would have to contact the ag. department.
Anyway that's my story and yes i will post all my results on how to do it and what the out come is.
My Vaccine is on it's way!!
Bumping up
Harmony, am glad you are getting the vaccine
Harmony maybe a local ad plus an ad here on DG's marketplace might get that stuff moving for you? Also try local vets to see if they'd like to buy a bottle or two from you (assuming it's not illegal to sell them).
MollyD
OMG!! wow is all i can say, that's alot of vaccines!! u have to be very careful with that and check with ur state regs and theirs. there is alot of strict laws when it comes to vaccines.
that's why i buy direct online it's 2 days ship and u can get 2 day delivery. the lowest price i saw was $6-7 for that specific vaccine + ship and u only have to buy what is needed by the bottle not quanity.
Harmony - maybe you coudl send some to Music?
I'm happy for you Harmony!
Sounds like it may be a bittersweet deal...
Hope you can find someone to use the extra!
Good Luck!
Ok so only vaccinate if you have it in your flock already?
When I start hatching next spring, i want to be ready and all learned up on all this.
That what it says on the site's Luvs that you should only vaccinate if pox is known in your area or you have and outbreak.
I wonder why you can't vaccinate against pox like we do for mereks?
thanks then we should not have to worry about it here.
Didn't someone say it was a live vaccine? So you'd be introducing it if you didn't already have it? And it's not something you want to introduce?...
ok that would sound right.
Oh i see it's a live vaccine so you would be introducing it instead of preventing it.
I have some questions anybody up to helping me find out a few things????
what you need to find out?
Up to trying anyway!!
I can try to help too!
still asleep,lol but will try, what do ya need?
I will be getting this vaccine in here early next week and i intend to vaccinate soon as i can.
After i know the vaccine has taken i want to clean and disinfect the pens that don't have a sick bird and will do the other pens as they get well.
I have about 5 that are healing and as of yet no more have become sick.
#1 Will all the disinfecting kill the left over virus and help or am i just wasting my time.
#2 Should i blow the leaves down there?
#3 will this virus be gone and no more infective in my chicken area by spring?
#4 How long should i wait to buy a new chicken?
#5 Will i from this day forward have to vaccinate all new birds and chicks?
#6 What about my eggs if they are laid in a pen where pox was will they carry that i sometimes give people eggs?
I haven't found a site yet that give's the AFTER the pox answers. I mean what happens now?
found this about new born chicks
Day-old chicks.Fowl pox 'M' strain can be used as a first vaccination in birds at day-old or up to 6 weeks old. 'M' strain is a field strain which combines mild reaction with strong immunisation. It is applied in the wing by the 'needle stab' or 'stick' method. Birds should be revaccinated at 8 to 12 weeks for full protection through the laying period. Breeder replacements may be done again at 20 weeks.
Here are answers to question #1 and #2 and a little bit maybe #3.
From here:
http://www.unbc.ca/nlui/wildlife_diseases_bc/avian_pox.htm
Quoting that site:
Avian pox virus can survive considerable dryness; therefore, dust particles containing the virus can remain infective for extended periods.
If birds with suspected avian pox are handled and other live birds are to be handled in the future, any surface that infected birds have come in contact with should be cleaned with a 10% household bleach solution to prevent the spread of the disease to other birds.
So yes, clean with 10% bleach solution EVERYWHERE. It WILL kill the virus.
Dust particles containing the virus can remain infective for "extended periods" which doesn't say how long that is, but I would suggest removing the leaves, but NOT by blowing because that will blow the particles around and redistribute them into the air. I would suggest the more backbreaking old-fashioned method of raking, which will not disturb the leaf litter as much and is far less likely to distribute particles.
Another site says this:
The virus is highly resistant in dried scabs and under certain conditions may survive for months on contaminated premises.
So, months of persistence possible. Sanitation and cleaning litter, etc is clearly essential to get this under control.
I have a question on that, would burning the leaves that my carry the virus cause it to be in the air again?
wow girl, ur gonna rack our brains early today! from what i know i will try to answer that.
#1 Will all the disinfecting kill the left over virus and help or am i just wasting my time.
-totally depends on what u r useing to clean and if u get it all. use a solution of 1 part bleach and 10 parts water min or there is a poultry brand of cleaner i can't think name. burn all bedding and leaves in area to help stop the spread as well. u can bleach water the ground to if they free range.
#2 Should i blow the leaves down there?
-usually virus is airborne i'd say not chance it and rake to be safe then burn.
#3 will this virus be gone and no more infective in my chicken area by spring?
-totally depends what i saw it can stay for mths or years but i think if vaccinated and cleaned properly should only be hopefully another mth till all r better.
#4 How long should i wait to buy a new chicken?
-i'd say at least 30 days or more from the time u know this is kicked in the butt and all r over it. this gives a chance for the vaccine to not shed through virus.
#5 Will i from this day forward have to vaccinate all new birds and chicks?
absolutely, yes.
#6 What about my eggs if they are laid in a pen where pox was will they carry that i sometimes give people eggs?
- not if u kill the pox with the bleach, if not i'd think it was very possible. it would spread to other animals if they were hatching but not to people.
Tia - probably not. Fire would kill the virus so ash particles are unlikely to carry it, although I would say that burning with the wind going AWAY from the pen area is best so that small leaf particles that aren't fully burned don't go back to the pens.
Harmony - with regard to new chickens, I would vaccinate for at least the next 6 months for any new birds. I would also vaccinate any hatches in the next 6 months. As to after that, you could try stopping and see if it recurs. I mean, perpetual vaccinations would certainly be the most secure option, but may not be necessary. I am saying 6 months based on this information about the persistence of the virus in the environment.
With regard to the eggs, I would only start giving eggs from pens that you have disinfected with the 10% bleach solution.
L2G I'd say that burning the leaves will not spread the disease. Once those ashes are coming up into the air the virus has gone through the blaze and they should be totally dead.
MollyD
nope heat kills virus, if u have any that have died from a virus u r to incinerate them also. if not and u burry them or thow them in with the regular trash u run the risk of spreading to wild birds and affecting ur water supply, incase ya all didn't know that.
Heat kills virus's i learned that from a doctor who recommended my son not treat his fever when he was sick.
He said the only true way they have found to kill a virus was extreme heat and a fever is the body's way of killing the virus.
Huh. I was wondering if maybe a back-pack fertilizer tank thingy filled with the bleach solution could be sprayed on the leaves before raking -sorta to minimize the dust particle problem. S'pose raking before spraying would also work. Wouldn't wanna spread anything though...hmmmm...
okie dokie. I guess if I would have thought about it a little better. Right after this all started with Harmony I seen some black spots on my phoenix, on his comb and I about freaked. Nothing ever came of it.
I think spraying before raking would be a good idea since it would weight the leaves and dust down. Less to blow around before you get it bagged or whatever to take it to be burned.
MollyD
if u r sprayin bleach water before u shouldn't have to burn. the virus would already be killed it would soak into the under leaves and ground so as long as it was covered with it should be gone.
If the leaves were spread out neatly with no overlap? I was kinda worried about the dry leaves under the top layer...
I would dispose of no matter what, and possible a few layers of the dirt as well.
I don't like the aspect of constant vaccination of new birds is it feasable that if......I vaccinate all thats here and the sick get well and are not carriers.........Then i disinfect all the pens and all chicken equipment and I'm thinkin about torching my metal cages.....Burn all leaves, bedding, and basically bio secure my entire area which includes bleaching the ground i did that once before when i had bought a sick rabbit ..........Is it not feasable that i could eradicate this and not have to vaccinate any others...........I don't plan on getting any new birds it gettin close to cold weather and all.
I had planned on hatching some chicks this winter for spring but now i don't know.
Good idea about the sprayer Grow:)
If i don't respond imediatly to your post i'm reading and writeing all this down;)
Continuing to vaccinate sounds really bad. Seems like once all you birds have immunity the main danger would be from the strain used to inoculate...which isn't supposed to be dangerous, and overdoing any medical-type intervention IS supposed to be dangerous. Wonder what the more medical will say?? I've had a very mild form of fowl pox in my flock. One bird gets a pox mark each generation (approximately) but by-n-large their immune systems have taken care of the problem and I don't want to introduce anything new by vaccinating.
Thats what i'm afraid of a super pox bug.
Yes Harmony, you can eradicate this with the current birds and their hatchings, but you cannot be guaranteed of never having another mosquito come in from whatever source your first one came from.
would this need to be reported to any officials?
to my knowledge fowl pox is not reportable disease but each state has their own/different lists of what we have to report to dept of ag or usda.
let me check something before i answer to my thoughts on contuning to vaccinate. i saw on another forum something that may help,it says to use Oxine rinse, iodine or betadine daily for lesions and keep those waterers clean is very important.
I believe the reportable ones here are avian flu, newcastle, i don't think pox would be a reportable disease because it's like mite's and anybodys birds are suseptible to it and it really if treated in the early stages heals well and my birds show no signs of any after affects.
It's the same with scaly leg it seems to be everywhere and respitory too.