This is a new one that is a third generation cross back attempt to get a plant very similar to Rothkirch but without RK's drawbacks.I put the lineage in Plantfiles for those interested in such things.A few others are growing this one for breeding,Eric and Paul to name just a couple.I hope to cross some other Aureas to this one later this season.
It's very lovely JT!
Good work JT!
Oh JT she is so beautiful..hope you have her for sale real soon
I hope you keep it to yourself a wee bit longer! JT has created some of the most beautiful, fragrant, hardy, and most importantly substantial Brugmansia I have ever seen. If your like me and must have the best of the best for breeding then this one should be on your hit list.
JT, I hadn't realized Rothkirch was so difficult to root until I started looking for a rooted cutting. I haven't had much luck so far. So I wish you all the success in the world in this endeavor and I'll be there, checkbook in hand when it becomes available. LOL
Wow JT that is so beautiful.............James
I love the aurea forms. I think their time is long overdue. We need more cultivars with good aurea genes. Good job there JT Kaitlyn is a beauty .
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Great looking brug and I want to say that I'm so happy to see so many new threads being started here on the brug forum. I love individual threads for each cultivar. Great going, everyone!!
Thanks for the pic JT. Mine are doing fine. One is going to Bonnie. Going to the plant files now.
Besides the obvious point that what J.T. has done here is true line breeding which a way to more easily uncover recessive genes as well as traits that need multiple sets of the same genes to express themselves. What many Brugmansia breeders do is to breed simply for color or doubles crossing the same color to the same color or double x single as double genes tend to carry over a bit too strongly when crossing one double to another. For me, I think that if we are to uncover truly novel phenotypes within a species we are going to have to develop much more serious line breeding with the individual species. In this manner, when we later cross an aurea with a suaveolens we or some other such we will be getting a blend of the best recessives and or quantitative traits from each species and hopefully novel or at least more predictable progeny will result in the later generations. I'd love to see someone working with Elizabeth crossed to a suaveolens though as this is one that I think in a few generations could produce a line of suaveolens that could stay open all day and in the worst of conditions.... I am learning a bit more as I go along and while I was once a fancier of out crossing for that jackpot or good luck cross.... I am now more than ever leaning towards the utilization of exceptional pure species or darn near pure species in the creation and selection for better traits that can be passed on to their offspring with a little more regularity. I mean, who wouldn't want to work with an improved Isabella for instance that threw out seedlings that performed as good or better than the old Isabella? Enough ranting. Good work with this one J.T.
Wow that's very imformative Eric thanks for sharing that bit of imformation I am still learning about Brug's.
James
Eric, you've mentioned Elizabeth several times. I couldn't find anything about her. What does she look like and what is her parentage?
Yeah me either what color is she ? I have looked also but could not find anything perhaps you may a picture as well?
James, I found the information. Elizabeth is a white single Brug. It's pod parent is American Pride. It's pollen parent is Pink Smitty. Hybridizer and seedling parent is JT Sessions.
http://www.brugmansia.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=10718
Eric, what would you hope Elizabeth could contribute to a cross with a suaveolens. Who has Elizabeth?
Wow that one is beautiful.
James
My hope for 'Elizabeth' is that she would be a good breeding base,with aurea shape,to use in breeding for future doubles.The aurea shape must have come from the grandparents.One further note....I have been crossing brugs since about 2000,sometimes over a thousand a year.Most wind up in the compost pile.This is
the first white,from all of those,that I decided to register.I had only a few this year and they are gone.There will be more next year.I do need to put her in "Plantfiles"
Do you have elizabeth JT?
Elizabeth is one of those Brugmansia that you can see an overwhelming amount of aurea influence in. Besides that, she has more substance than any other Brugmansia I have ever seen. Please keep in mind that I haven't grown many of newer hybrids, but if you consider her substance, her growth rate which is above par in my books, and a few other characteristics I've noticed... I think this one would be a fine hybrid to work into any breeding program. She beats many of the named European Brugmansia I have grown. The trick is to decide from the many characteristics that this one has in abundance and decide which ones you wish to add from Elizabeth into your program. I can't say enough good things about Elizabeth. A good hybridizer can tell that this is one not to be missed for its breeding potential alone.
Kaitlyn, Elizabeth, Damian, Goldenes Kornett, .... there aren't too many more Brugmansia that can steal me away like these guys, but then I'm a bit passionate about the aurea species or hybrids that are heavy in aurea. Now, I will confess that others like Bernstein are nice as well, I just like what I like and love what I love. I have my favorites and they will likely change as new hybrids are created, but some will never be forgotten as they will find their genes working heavily into the hybrids yet to come.
JT, she's a beauty! Love Kaitly's color. I'm also waiting with checkbook in hand.
James,I have my stock plants but no rooted cuttings at this time.Here is what happens with a new release...You grow the seedling and watch it through several seasons and several flushes.You try to get a few cuttings to send out for trial.Then when everyone is satisfied that it's a winner,you cut it to pieces.Maybe you get 20 good cuttings and keep the rootball.Of the 20,say 16-18 root.Of the 16-18,maybe 15 are good enough to keep.You keep a couple,along with the rootball for stock plants.Maybe you send out two or three to people who send you their new ones.This leaves only about 10 plants to sell or trade.That is why the first release is so limited.I will be starting more next week
but it will be next year before they are ready to ship.
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OF which one elizabeth or kaitlyn?.....lol
More Elizabeth.I have Kaitlyn.
oh cool I love that one I can not wait to have her.........lol
When is Kaitlyn going to be put up on your website formally? I'm assuming that you are willing to part with a few Kaitlyn prior to website formalities? Just asking the obvious as I know there are some folks in Florida that can't wait to get their hands on one of these...besides the obvious ones here of course....
Well I hope it is on the market soon I just recieved one as we did a trade thanks so much JT it arrived in perfect condition I am so excited can not wait till the spring to plant it in the ground.
James
I brought mine at daves marketplace !
So did I.
wow cool I love this one I can not wait till next year when it blooms here for me.
