Rigida?

Hi,

I bought H. rigida last year from a local nursery, and the owner gets his hoyas from Ted Green (or most of them from Ted Green). One of the hoyas I got there was mislabed (H. macrophylla var. was mislabeled as H. latifolia), so I wasn't quite sure if H. rigida was correct.

Well, I recently got H. rigida IML 1424 in a trade to see if it was the same as my other rigida, and they are completely different. I looked at David Liddle's description of IML 1424, and it goes along with my rigida from the nursery (big succulent leaves, very similar to pachyclada), whereas the one I received that was labeled IML 1424 has small pubescent leaves with one center vein.

Here are a bunch of pictures. Any help on either ID is much appreciated. Even a guess.

This one is the original one that I got from the nursery, which I believe to be H. rigida. My hand is in the pic for size reference.

And here is one pic (of many that I will post) of the recent one I got in a trade labeled H. rigida IML 1424

And another with my hand in it for size reference..

A side view of the leaf showing how pubescent it is..

The underside of the leaf..

Gabi....

Your first H. rigida looks like H. pachyclada. The second one looks like an Eriostemma....not H. rigida at all.

And finally, the stem, which is also very pubescent.

Thanks for your help!

Yup....has Eriostemma written all over it. Will try to figure out which one....but the leaf is unmistakable!

Thanks Carol. Well at least I know that the pubescent one is an eriostemma and not rigida. I'm so bummed that the other is pachyclada - I already have a large plant of that. Oh well...I'll think of it as insurance!

Thanks for looking into which one the eriostemma might be.

Gabi

I agree. It looks like my H fungii. All Gabi has to do is wait and see if it "never" blooms to be sure .... lol

C.

LOL, I know not about hoyas and am so not good at photo's but that second one kinda, sorta looks like my magnifica which has soft, furry leaves and stems. And, my brain doesn't retain, I can't remember what Eriostemma means so I guess I will go google! ^_^

Gabi, the second one looks very similar to H. ciliata

Barb

Thanks for all your input. Neither is fungii though (I have that one and the leaves are completely different). Also the "fuzzy" one is very small (the length of the biggest leaf is smaller than the length of my pinky!!)

Lin, I unfortunately lost my magnifica from the recent DL order, and the leaves on that one are huge. Definitely not that either, simply because of the size. There are many fuzzy (pubescent) hoyas, so this will be a tough call. Whatever this hoya is, it can't be anything with large leaves.

Barb, yes I do see the resemblance with ciliata. But the leaves look very big. Are they as big as they look? Also, my leaves don't have those pointy tips.

Hmmmm....I just might have to wait for blooms!

Gabi

LOL, to show you how bad I am ... Barb's picture looks like magnifica to me too! I sometimes can't tell one from another!

I believe the largest leaf on it is in the 2" range +/-. That was an "up close and personal" kind of picture. And you're right, the pointed leaf tips is one of the definitive IDers on ciliata, so maybe yours isn't it... didn't note that earlier. I hope you don't have to wait as long as I did with my Eriostemma for blooms - 3+ years.

Barb

I must admit Barb, I'm not happy that this is an eriostemma! I know I will most likely NEVER see blooms!

So just to let you all know, I found out what this hoya is.
The person I traded with mixed up the labels, and this one is cv. Ruthie.

Thanks so much for all your input and help.

Gabi

Sorry, Gabi...it is NOT cv. Ruthie - hate to tell you. cv. Ruthie is completely glabrous...not a single hair on its' little body. I would guess it is H. ciliata...which means 'hairy'....

I agree; my cv Ruthie's quite "bald".

Ciliata, huh, and small leaves ... golly, another one I'll have to get .... will it ever end???

LOL

Christine

Oh, Christine..ciliata has Eriostemma leaves which I wouldn't call small....same size as most of them.

Well ok then, H. ciliata it is. Thanks Carol.

I will let the "trader" (that sounds bad, huh?!) know that she has the wrong label.

Gabi

Gabi...just a gut comment about H. ciliata...hard to tell but I am 80percent possitive it maybe is.... LOL

Well I'm sure your gut is right Carol :)
I'll be sure to post bloom pics in 30 years.

Gabi

It looks alot like my H. lauterbachii

Betty