Double yellow???

There's a "brugmansia" on e-bay right now,they have it listed as a brug.It looks like a double/triple yellow datura but in their write up they say it is NOT a datura.Can someone knowlegable look at it and tell me if they are missrepresenting it??I'm so desperate for a colored double I'll fall for anything.

i think you should go with your gut instinct.
i checked further in to her ratings. there is a closed auction that has a photo of the double queen. that looks exactly like the golden queen daturas that ive seen.
its gorgeous, no doubt, but a brug is a brug and a dat is a dat.
im concerned because she states that it is NOT a datura. to my knowledge there isnt a double yellow brug named golden queen.
hope this helps,
jen

yup,that helps,I had never heard of a double yellow,not to say there isent one but if there was I would think you'd hear more about it.Also the plant looks like a datura and so does the bloom,although the child is holding the bloom so you can't see if it points up or down naturally on the plant.the staement that says it is NOT a datura is what bothers me too.Thanks MSJen.I think it's really a misrepresentation,bad ,bad,bad!!!

CC, this is kind of strange. i traded for a "gold queen brugmansia" grown from seed at our local trade in may. when i came home to look it up the first thing i read was that reputable companies were selling this as brug when it was a dat. so, it sat on my porch in a gallon pot, finally put it in the ground near the end of june. was looking at it today, is over four feet tall, no blooms yet. honestly, i don't think i even fertilized it. guess i will and see if i can get it to bloom.

Here is what Vicki Harding has to say about the Golden Queen.

http://home.att.net/~perennials/faqs.html

i was really bummed when i realized it wasn't a brug, almost let it die before i planted it. i had already pulled up my daturas to make more room for brugs.

I unfortunately jumped on this, and bid on these seeds. This 'lady' is a pain to deal with. I told her that I would honor my bid, but that these are not brugs. She assured me that because Thompson Morgan says they are, they are. TM shows the plant and it's a datura. But this 'lady' knows plenty about brugs and daturas, and ....well anyway, don't ever bid on anything she has. :( lesson learned!!!
Oh, and I wrote TM, they also have the double purple listed as a brug.

tig, cant you retract your bid? i dont know, ive never ebayed before.

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I wrote them too. It's my fault, I should have been able to look at the flower and tell. My gut told me no, but :) oh well:) thank heavens it wasn't too expensive. cheap lesson learned. don't be greedy!! :)

TM also sells seeds for a plant they call Datura "Double White Lady" that looks to be a brug---go figure! But let's not be too harsh---if even the taxonomists are confused, amatures can't be expected to get it right all the time. But I agree that the "lady" in question needs to be more open to new ideas.

if she hadn't said 'it's not a datura' there would have been no question. And then she was extremely rude, telling me that she knew all about brugs and daturas, and that TM also sold a purple brug. I saw that double white lady too, and it does grow like a brug. I think from now on, I'll stick to cuttings from people and businesses I trust:)
I do agree Judith, that it's so easy to get confused. I am going to make a mission of getting TM to change their catalog listings:)

http://www.lebonjardinier.com/B.Tiara.htm
Is that the double yellow Brug you guys are talking about?

oh Brugman, don't I wish!!!! No, she got these seeds from TM, so they are definitely the datura. Oh well, they'll be pretty:)

Tig, Double yellow Brugmansia or Double yellow Datura...hmm, my my how do we confuse the two? Wish I could relate, but anyone who has grown a datura and a Brugmansia could tell the difference between the two without needing any fancy degree. Its like getting confused between a tomato and a potato plannt if you ask me....

these are the datura. I am going to stay on TM until they change. I agree, they are so totally different, but unless someone has actually grown a Brugmansia, they just don't realize, and I think this is this poor womans loss. She just doesn't know:)

As for the Golden Queen, I bought some of these seeds and some are now about 6 inches high. This is what i have seen so far. The seed looks like brug seed. In fact it is larger than the suavolens seeds I have for comparison but smaller than sangunea. They germinated the same as my brugs with a stem that is thick like a brug, with the only anomaly that the stems are a purple black color. The few datura I have grown have always had very thin stems for the first couple of months. It is too early to have a mature leaf to examine but the small leaves they do have are similar to some of my brug seedlings. Finally the lady says the flowers are are not upright. I will wait and see but take her word for it.
Finally she was very helpful and friendly to me. She shipped as promised and the seeds were very fresh.
The bottom line is that if this is a datura it is definately superior to any I have seen so far. For now I will call it a brug until I see for myself what form it takes at maturity.
In closing I recall a favorite line that may apply (or maybe not but I will state it anyway)
"Never assume the world evolved in the order you discovered it."

Ken Hamlett

I have never seen a brug with a purple/black stem but I haven't seen them all. I have grown the double golden queen last year. The leaves are similar to a sanguinea leaf, shiny but not hairy. In fact, they could be mistaken for a sanguinea leaf.

Ken, I'm very glad she was nice to you. She wasn't to me. I got rude letters with statements in all caps. I never tried to get out of my bid, I just asked questions. If people are going to be in business, they need to treat customers with respect. She didn't do this in my case. She states her original seeds came from TM and here is what they are selling as a brugmansia.
http://www.thompson-morgan.com/pxm/7/7175.jpg

LQQKs like a datura to me???

Looks just like the Datura I have..double/triple yellow.

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nah, it's not worth it. This woman gets pretty rough in her negative feedback for traders. It's not worth that. It's over as far as I care. Just know who not to deal with now:) I'll find a place for them.

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tig: You're far too nice to be treated like that. Hope she is lurking to see what has been said of her behaviour.

Boy ,I think I opened a can of worms that time ,tiG,sorry you got involved in that.I almost bought them but I'm so gulible I would have gone on my merry way thinking I got a bargin.Figured I better check with the experts!!!

I really hope she will study a bit more, and find out what brugmansia really are. Then she'll be hooked and have to buy the real thing;)

just to clarify once and for all. the seeds arrived today and they are datura seeds.

bummer

Sorry tiG,The up side is that they are really,really,really pretty datura!!! CC

MsJen,
Where are you hiding?

im here, gloria, just sick with the crud : (
thought about calling you today to see if i could come over and then decided against it. i dont want to spread this around.
ttyl
jen

Jen,
Stay out of the rain...Ron too is sick.