I don't understand what goes wrong. They look great with their white nubs. I put them in potting soil and give a little root stimulator and they start taking off. But then just as I think it is time to plant into the ground they are dead. I did everything I
know to do. And they are dead. I don't understand.
I am tired of losing them. My dream was to have 10-15 more but after I have no idea how many cuttings I have 4. So I am throwing in the towel. No more Brugs for me.
It is such heart ache to lose my most favorite flower. One in the ground died too and had as much water and stuff as the others. From all my years here and the generous DGers I should have at least 100+ if all the cutting would have made it. I guess I am a bad brug momma.
I guess sometimes you have to live without things you love the most. This makes me very sad. :O(
I want to stick with not getting anymore. But they are so beautiful. GRRRR
Blessings,
Sandy ^8^
I am throwing in the towel on cuttings
Hi Sandy,
Gosh I hope you dont give up, have you tried getting a plant
instead of cuttings?
You might try that route and see if they do better for you.
Best wishes,
Karen
I have gotten plants they are slow but doing ok. But so many
generous DGers share their cuttings. And I never could resist.
The only one that does good for me is a NOID white I have had for 15 yrs. Her size is not as tall as once was but she is wider. Never fails I stick her cuttings in the dirt and they take. I love white but not all white.
I drool over so many like Daydreams, and the red that has been sold on eBay. And maybe one day I can afford some rooted ones. Just not right now. But TY for your reply.
Blessings,
Sandy ^8^
Sandy, By Fall I will probably have some extra rooted cuttings if you want to give them a try. I recently potted up a bunch of cuttings to root and always have extra's, but they wouldn't be ready to ship until Nov.
Patricia
I have my cuttings in a large vase with an aquarium bubbler. I don't try to pot them up until they have really long roots. Sometimes 2-3 months in the bubbler, have never lost one.
Sandy, I hope you don't give up just yet. Maybe we can help you figure out what went wrong. Is your soil that black jumbo? If it is, maybe overwatering is the problem. That combined with root rot. When you planted the cuttings in the ground, what was the size of the root system? Maybe you need to keep the plants in a pot for a longer period or try growing them in pots instead.
Potting the cuttings with nubs or small water roots: Unless the cutting is very thick, it should go into a pot no larger than 4". Those 16oz. plastic cups that you can buy at Wally World are ideal because they are taller than they are wide so you can bury more of the cutting. It's easy to make holes in the cups and are re-usable. Keep the cutting in that container until the container is full of roots.
I've discovered that some Brugs are more sensitive to overwatering than others and discovered it the hard way — by killing several of the same cultivars. I can't seem to keep Sam alive. The Sam cuttings survive into the two gallon stage then die. I've done the same thing to Becca Lynn.
Did the cuttings I sent you die? They were from fairly hardy plants?
Betty only one of the cuttings you sent lived. They were in those 16 inch cups with holes in the bottom. They were doing great then I am not sure in all the rain we have been having has been too much for them but they were leafing out beautiful.
I had them in a bubbler until they had some good size white nubs. They were outside in morning sun and one at a time just started to go. I tried peroxide as I figured they were not handling the rain but I was not sure.
It doesn't seem to matter how I do it. Long roots from a bubbler or just enough time in there to get the white nubs and then into miracle grow potting soil. I sure wish I could figure ut out.
Jerodsmom I would like to try some if you don't mind. Dmail me as I maybe moving. I am not to sure yet.
I hope you can help me with this as it is so disheartening.
Blessings,
Sandy ^8^
Hello Sandy, sorry to hear this but know how you feel as I have had my frustrations with Brugs and have gone fom 110 to 3
Could it be you put them outside too fast, if they were inside to root and suddenly outside that can kill them, they must be introduced to the outside gradualy,
I had them in the shade very little morning sun but maybe for the rain it was too early. I wish I knew for sure. I think the ones I want to do so well and desperately like are the ones that maybe I over love?
Just not sure.
wish i had advice Sandy but my luck with hem aint too good lately either. mine are dying like flies think its the constant weather change for mine though. just keep trying
Sandy, I think maybe it is too much water... I didn't think I'd ever tell anyone that about brugs, but I have a couple now that don't appear to use (or want) as much water as some. I would get a nice big compact root ball before I put them in the ground. I found (in KS, anyway) once in the ground they don't take near the water potted ones do. Most of them do like direct sun, and if they're shaded all the time, that would account for root rot-being wet and not getting direct rays from the sun. I think being in TX, my KS brugs probably wouldn't be able to handle as much direct sun down there, but they do like some direct. Snowbank is the only one I've found that doesn't like direct sun, so it's over under a shade tree and growing very slowly. I'm so sorry you're frustrated to this point. We will all try to help you figure this out, you deserve to have what you love. I JUST today potted up a nubbed cutting of Day Dreams, once I get it rooted, I could send it to you or I can send it next spring if you'd feel more comfortable then.
Kareoke, I'm curious, cause I've often thought I should cut back on how many I have (somehow, I just keep getting more)...how did you decide what to keep? What did you keep? If I had to pick 3 today... it would be Maya, P.Versi and a pink double.. all because they are very rugged and profuse bloomers.
OH my Day Dreams. I have been drooling over that one. It is gorgeous. Maybe if there is another month it could be at your house to get stronger but even spring Day Dreams is worth waiting to spring for. What a wonderful offer. I will leave it up to you as you know here they struggle to live. I got around 8 with a set of nubs I gave some more time in bubbler and 1 had roots. Only one with roots lived. :O(
It may have been water we had had way enough rain. Well never enough except for things like this. They were in cottage cheese containers and doing great. Then one by one they died. I even gave them some peroxide but did not help.
So frustrating to watch something you love so much die.
I hope together we can come up with something as I am head over heals for them. Thanks everyone.
Where do you keep the cuttings while they are rooting? I found they can take a tiny bit of sunlight very early in the morning and bright indirect light the rest of the day works best — on my kitchen table. We have to share the table with cuttings. The water temperature remains between 72º - 75º and almost all of my cuttings root. I did just lose 3 Adeline cuttings I bought through e-Bay. That one hurt. I do lose one or two when I transfer the cuttings into soil.
How often do you change the water in the rooting containers?
AuntB I decided to just keep one single, and a couple of doubles, and I wanted different colors, I love Golden Lady, she got broken onto three peices during a storm, now one of those pieces are blooming, so I go for looks, and color, nice if they have fragrance, my new one is a double, no fragrance at all but a strange color, starts yellow, turns strange dark pink, we had a lot of wind the other night and as you can see she lost just about every leaf, but loaded with buds.
This is Golden Lady
Sandy,
I had the same problem with brug cuttings and have never figured out why. Some rotted before rooting, the others died after being planted. I simply cannot get a brug to root in water and live.
Out of pure desperation to save several cuttings I brought from AL, I rooted them in MG potting soil in hanging baskets. I added the gel crystals to help retain moisture and instead of sticking the cut end of the brugs into the pot, I laid them on their sides, using 6" cuttings, making sure each had a couple of leaf nodes. I barely covered them with soil and sat them on my patio with morning sun only. They sent up leaves in about a week and I held them in the pots until they were about a foot tall. Every one of those cuttings survived and are now in the ground, several feet tall and they bloom year round for me.
Our FL sun is hard on plants, the three brugs I have in full sun are not as big and do not flower as much as the ones I planted in full morning sun with dappled afternoon shade.
This worked for me. You might want to give it a try.
Yolie
Oh, I have Adeline and Golden Lady, new young plants sent to me as tiny rooted tips from a generous, sweet DGer. I LOVE that Golden Lady, nice small plant and those blooms are gorgeous!!! (come to think of it, she might be one of mine struggling) We're getting into the stormy season, I do okay with some wind, I dread hail. Luckily ones blown over so far didn't lose limbs or buds... Many of my brugs are starting to really pump out buds and I hope for a LATE freeze, maybe Nov.?? That would be great.. I'm going to pull the 2 small plants that I think are getting too much water and see what their root system looks like.. I might need to repot... they've been in maybe gallon size pots most of the summer..
Sandy, let me see what I can do (and take inventory... I might have a well rooted one...) It's pretty bad when you don't know exactly what you have growing out there! lol I like to start cuttings during the growing season, I seem to do better, keeping them outside.. I put them in shade/dappled sun and they nub up within a week. I put peroxide and superthrive in the nubbing water.. Then depending on their size 4in-6 inch pots. These were even smaller when I got them (some had only 2 leaves and smaller than a wooden match stick)... I looked at their tiny size and thought I'd never get them through summer, but you know Vixen (upper left) has buds now! I got them around June 10, put them in a six pack and fed them... it wasn't long and I put them in these pots.. most are now in 1-3 gal pots and doing great.. I only lost 1. I will see what I have and get back with you, and we'll decide what is best so you can get some blooms next year. I don't do so great with fall cuttings (I do keep on trying) my success rate is probably less than 50%.
Betty I keep them on my kitchen sink they do well there. I change the water every few days and use peroxide also and superthrive. I have done orchid moss and the crystals. I must not be holding my mouth right as my mom would say. lol
May have to try the laying the cutting down. OM a Day Dreams I have been drooling over that one. Golden Lady is so beautiful. This the first time to try to root some not in the fall.
I always feel it is asking too much for the generous DGer to root it also.
I will be back. I tried to mow last night and hurting from my back. It is not fun. I will be back later. Sorry. I knew better but it needs done so bad.
Be back,
Sandy ^8^
Sandy, if I was closer I'd help you or have DS do it! Don't you feel bad asking us to root for you... hey, I might not be successful, but it doesn't take much effort to try. My problem with Fall cuttings is keeping the young rootlings warm enough and then later, spider mites....I've rooted tree size cuttings over winter in a 5 gal bucket of water in a dim cool basement, seems I'd have more success with light and warmer temps. I stuck a few back in their mama's pots outside this spring and some made it, some didn't. I've planted them rooted and I've planted them nubbed. I've read NOT to change the water, just add to it (unless it's getting yucky from rotting cutting) but I think that was for the 5 gal basement bucket.. be careful out there!
Sandy
I can root a cutting of daydreams for you..
we can do a trade or you can do postage..
Elva
You all are so sweet. Thank you for being so generous to help me get some of the flower I love the most. You are a wonderful family to be a part of.
I did not get up till 7 pm. I had failed back surgery in 2000 and am not suppose to do a lot include mow but it has to be done. My sweet neighbor has been doing it but I am sure she is busy. It has been 5 weeks and with all the rain it is so long it has to be bagged. Just my small back yard is done. Now for the front. But I will take my time. The heat gave me a migraine and wow my back has not hurt like that is a very long time. I will manage if it takes if it takes 3 weeks and I have to start all over again. ROTFLOL
It is amazing at the strong men who live close with riding mowers and know I am disabled and don't offer. Well guess why should they when my own son won't mow for me with a push one. Of course that is a different story now but he did not before.
I would love any Brugs you angels would try to root for me.DG has the most wonderful ppl I have ever met anywhere. I am proud to call you all my family.
Thank you,
Sandy ^8^
Sandy,
I live in Cypress off of 290. You are about an hour away from me. I think the problem with your brug cuttings is TOO MUCH LOVE. Our conditions are extemely humid which is perfect for rooting cuttings outside. You are not going to believe this but I take 7 foot tall cuttings stick them in a 3-5 gallon pot of potting soil, lean it against my 8 foot cedar fence under shade trees, water it every day and that baby will be rooted in as little as 2-3 weeks. I ake off all but the new leaves up at the "Y" and don't lose any of the new leaves. For smaller cuttings of semi hard wood - hard wood cuttings I do the same thing but put them in gallon pots of potting soil and stick them in the shade.I especially love love doing cuttings when I know we are expecting rain for 3 or 4 days straight. This is perfect for rooting cuttings of any size. Just make sure puddles don't form where you've put your pots othewise they will rot. Brugs do not like alot of water here since we are so humid, they prefer to stay on the dry side. I don't see any point of putting the cuttings in water to get nubbies first, so I just skip that step. I do not use any type of rooting harmone, root stimulator or fertilizer at all. I water from the faucet. The soil I use is any soil I can get my hands on, Walmart has one called Perfect Mix or you can use MG potting soil. I can even root green cuttings this same way. Green cuttings rot in water for me.
If you want to give this method a try I can send you some semi hard wood cuttings. Just let me know,
Daisy
I really think you are right. I want so much for them to live I just over do. The other plant I over do is hen and chicks. Every time I buy one I lose it. I think it is way too much water also. It seems if I stick hibiscus cuttings in the ground behind my a/c in the shade and keep watered and I even forget them and they root. I even rooted some night blooming jasmine I cut back this year.
Daisy do you stick more than one semi hardwood cutting in a gallon pot or just one? I was wondering because of such a big pot I have things rot unless I put several cuttings in. I even got some plumeria cuttings given to me a couple yrs ago and I stuck them each in a different gallon pot and forgot them and they have taken off.
I would love to try this. The more I don't have to pamper something the better I like it. I am just so tired of losing these as I love them so very much.
Thank you for the offer daisy. I would love some. I have potting soil and the pots and the shade. I have rain or faucet water. You may want to root some this coming week looks like we will have rain from Gustov as he heads towards this direction as they are saying now. One day I hope to come see your yard. I am sure it is beautiful. Again thanks for the advice.
I so appreciate all the offers. I can't wait to get them all going so I can enjoy the flowers. Thank you all for such generosity and love. I look forward to sharing pictures WHEN I get this all right.
Love and Blessings,
Sandy ^8^
I usually wait until the nubs have become actual roots before I pot. I don't have a bubbler so I have to pour out the water every day or two and add fresh water.
Once they are potted, I feed them a weak solution of MG or Schultz's which seems to help with the shock of their new home.
Sandy,
When rooting cuttings, it all depends on if I have pots and enough soil. Number of cuttings doesn't matter. The key is 'don't over water'.
Daisy
Just wanted to get back with you on my two little almost struggling plants... They are ready for a little bigger pot, and I did cut back on water a bit, got them in more sun and they have perked up some... and then I feel some brugs are just more finicky than others.. some are known for not rooting easily, too. Maya will rot (for me anyway) if I dont pot her up after nubbing... some cuttings stay in a bucket all winter without a bubbler and develop long roots.. I thinks it's easier to root in Spring/Summer, but that's not when we are prepping our brugs to bring in for winter, so I just keep trying in winter so I have my hands in the dirt, where I'm happy. :) Sandy, do you have brugs coming your way?
I hope I am not too bold to ask, but I would love some cuttings to try my hand at rooting. I have a shed that is covered wall and ceiling with sheet rock, and am going to place an electric heater in there, as well as florescent shop lights. I will buy the bubbler and pumps as well. I will be glad to pay postage if anyone has any they would share with me. I would also be glad to share what I have, although at this point my 4 brugs are beautiful but NOID. Not sure if you would mind that or not. Does this group usually have a "sharing" season, or time of year when you all do it, or just when the occasion arises?
Sending you a d-mail Karen.. :)
And yes, we Brug d-ger's share the most in Fall. Perfect timing! ;)
I hope you don't mind me saying that you need very well drained soil, I am using washed river sand for everything ...seeds and cuttings and in the built up gardens as well, I add goodies when planting out into the garden. I have lost nothing at all and this has been a very cold wet Summer and Winter.The Angels need water but must not drown in it.In Winter just water a little if the leaves start to droop. I buy washed river sand by the ton from the Nursery.I have struck cuttings as big as 4ft down to 1/2 inch in this sand ...place in a sheltered position facing East (morning sun) and I think in places where the sun is too hot give the plants afternoon shelter if you can once you plant them into the garden.
By the way this washed river sand is perfect for most cuttings of anything ...mist the cuttings a couple of times a day if the climate is dry. Good luck with your angels.
Crissy, from down under! Hi there, thanks for the tips. Any pics of blooms from your seedlings, yet? Are you coming into spring down there now? We're into fall and winter is coming.. plants will be going to the basement in just a few weeks..
My new American crosses are about to go into the built up gardens (growing them out for breeding purposes ...my seedlings have spent the winter sheltering on the verandah facing East ...some cuttings bloomed (ones taken above the y.) Here is the washed river sand all ready to go into the 44 gallon drums cut into three pieces ...I will place thick newspaper underneath the drums and then a few inches of sugar cane mulch ...then cow poo ...then the sand mixed with just a little cow poo and mulched with more sugar cane mulch after planting. This method sees huge growth and quick flowering ...it's late planting due to horrible weather ...in this part of the world it has been well under normal temps ...no sun and constant rain ...my Angels went through the winter even with frosts, quite well and some flowered all the way through though frizzled a little ...I think the river sand is wonderful ...no rot whatsoever.
I hope you have enjoyed your Summer ...we are coming into a cold start to Spring but the sun is out now ...hooray!
I have had the puter offline for weeks and it is a pure joy to come back and see all the lovely pics ...I see you have big weather problems in the states I hope everyone stays safe and your gardens are all ok.
chrissy ps here is my river sand ...ready set go ^_^
You mean, ready, set GROW! Wow, you have a system, there. I wondered what you would do last winter when you were posting pics and having great success and fun with them, you had so many! Will you move them in the drums to protected area for winter?
Hi,
could anyone please let me know when you trade fall cuttings? I have a giant Charles Grimaldi that i will cut down to near the ground for the winter. As I am new to the US and to Brugs, I left it in the ground last year and I nearly lost it to frost.
I have about 5 6 foot long branches so I will have lots of cuttings.
Thank you and I hope you don't mind my joining in the brug talks.:o)
We welcome you to our brug talks Spider07, join in on any of the threads. And Welcome to America! I keep mine in pots, growing in the basement in winter.. but I do the most trimming anytime now, before the first frost. As long as the weather is nice I like to keep them outside, but I will trim in a few weeks. I trim to make them fit into the basement and any suckers or unwanted limbs.. but it's preference on when you cut. The first frost warning usually determines exactly when I cut. I've been out there in the dark hauling them in and whacking on them, but I prefer to do it a bit more leisurely. I'm watching the night temps, when they get down to 40 or below for a couple days in a row, I'll definately be working to get them all trimmed up, sprayed and ready to be hauled inside.
Thank you auntB.:o)
Some people in the higher zones cover their plants with Christmas lights and blankets when freezing temps are coming.. that would save your top growth. Are you getting any buds/blooms from the new growth that emerged this year?
Hi Aunt,
You know, what happened was that it died during the winter and then started to develop little leaves. we then had a very cold spell of about 3 days and it completely died again. This time the branches died as well and dried up. there was nothing left but in june I got little brugs coming form the ground.
The whole plant had to start again as nothing was left from the old one.
It is developing lots and lots of flower buds but they are still too small. It may flower in october.
Chrissy, i just noticed your post. Wow! great growing!!!
Crissy great Idea. Wish we had metal drums like that to get access to here. Don't think we have sugar cane mulch here either. Very smart idea!