I have seen my fair share of pink Plumies....with little yellow centers, all on different websites, even Ebay....and I have seen about 20 different names 8>(
Can someone tell me what this one is.....it too gets a little yellow center.
I know this has to be the most common Plumie out there, just curious what people's replies will be.
Miami Rose has the sweet plumeria smell Don't know why they called it that not a rose smell.
This is mine
Your in Florida so i will definately guess a miami rose. Smells like coconut to me. Here's mine with new flowers and old flowers. Around here we will usually see Miami Rose or Key west pink. Slightly different .
Miami Rose A pink with 2 ½" diameter flowers with rose pink background and light pink bands. Round petals with golden yellow center. A very strong fragrance of coconut oil or suntan lotion. Most desirable plumeria for fragrance, deep pink with large flowers and a coconut/fruity fragrance.. A very strong grower that can be grown in containers with appropriate pruning.
I think 'Key West Pink' and 'Miami Rose' are often confused with each other. My 'Miami Rose' does in fact smell like a rose whereas my 'Key West Pink' smells like coconut suntan lotion. They are nearly identical; however, the peduncle of 'Key West Pink' is bright green whereas the peduncle of 'Miami Rose' is more of a red color.
In any case, the two are very much alike in appearance, and it is extremely difficult to identify a cultivar from a picture because you can't compare leaf shape, leaf tips, growth habits, etc. to the cultivar that you are guessing about. There is likely even seedlings of these two cultivars in Florida, and you wouldn't want to put a name of a cultivar on its seedling. Here's a link about identification: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/687547/ There are also other cultivars which look similar two those two including 'Rose Red.' This is why we don't want to guess at names from just a photograph. We need to preserve the integrity of the existing cultivars and not add a name to an unknown from guesses.
Its like pin the tail on the pony lol
Yeah, needle in the haystack when you take into consideration that there are thousands upon thousands of unnamed seedlings out there and only a few hundred named and registered cultivars. Jim Little, a famous and icon really of plumerias refuses to identify plumerias from a picture in order to maintain the integrity of the named ones, and I think that is a really good stance.
This plumie does have a really good smell, I will tell you that much. If you want my 2 cents....and I am not just talking about plumeria's here...I give it a few more years and naming plants in general will be so screwed up. To many people cross breeding, sports, and NOW 'The Virus'. People trading and selling plants, just giving them any ol'name. Not taking the time to register them, and so forth. The fact that plumeria's can be purchased on Ebay from Tailand with this virus, for BIG money. At first they (and still) not telling the people about this 'virus' and how it spreads to other plumies and ultimatly 'fades' etc., You think Ebay would ban that some how. I will be honest, I fell for 'the virus' such pretty flowers! But until I did research, I found out they are actually making big money off of an infected plant. Now I don't know if it's against the law to sell these plumies, but I'm sure you plumie experts know more about it. Have not had the time to search the forums myself.
Back to this plumeria here, I think I have a 'RED ROSE/ROSE RED' from PlumeriaGallery and I think it's budding now, it appears to be a tad smaller bloom, then this here 'Miami Rose', guess we will have to wait and see.
Its all about the money on ebay trust me I have bought enough on there won't anymore seeds thats it. As money gets tighter and it will get worse people will be willing to tell you anything you want to hear for the money. Lets face it they aren't going to flower in the next week or 2. You leave your feed back and then down the road your good deals not a good deal anymore. But if you buy from nurserys that have been around for years there here to stay there prices aren't bad old story goes you get what you pay for!
Saw your post Julie, and I'm sure that is Rose Red. We just trimmed our tree earlier in the year and had plenty of cuttings. We just recently trimmed a Miami Rose, and the two blooms are very different in color and shape. Glad to see your plant is doing so well and blooming!
Hi Julie, you could be right that there will be mass name confusion in the future, and I think the future is already here.
We are trying to educate people on the hazards of the virus, and I think it is working because many people are shunning it and refusing to buy plumerias with a virus, and they aren't going for big bucks anymore. I have a wonderful friend in Thailand who has kept his collection free of the virus and is educating people about the dangers of it on his web site: http://www.kukiatsgardens.com/PlumeriaDiseases.html There has also been many good discussions here about it. Here's one link: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/754821/
I also agree with you that it is a good idea to avoid buying plumerias on Ebay unless you know the seller by reputation or referral. It is a good idea to only buy from reputable sellers as well. I highly recommend three sellers as being trustworthy: Florida Colors Nursery, Brad's Buds and Blooms, and Kukiat's Gardens. The reason that I endorse these three is not only are they trustworthy in the product that they deliver but also they are very informed and consciencious about the plumeria virus. Jim Little and Hawaii Sandy on Ebay are also trustworthy in that they will deliver an excellent product; however, they are not consciencious about the virus and are still calling it by the false name of chimera. I personally avoid any seller who sells plumerias that have a virus.
No this one I have pictured is not the one (Rose Red) I recieved from you this past spring.....now I am a tad confused because you say they are very different....Do you think this one is a Rose Red or Miami Rose? I guess I should wait and take pics of the 2.
Going back to the Virus I will go on those links when I get a chance. What I don't understand yet, is from what I understand the 'Princess Victoria' is a named Plumie, but it too has the virus, how is that possible? I may be getting to deep for my own good, but I have to gather this info as best I can I guess LOL I know I have 20-30 plumeria's cuttings started, and finding out one by one if it's true to it name, if it's a real name to begin with....
So far I love the interesting info!
Yes, 'Princess Victoria' is a named plumeria that was distributed under that name, but many believe that it is 'Metaire Pink' with a virus. Unfortunately, it is possible for a plumeria with a virus to be registered with the Plumeria Society of America. This subject is often controversial with strong feelings on both side. Some like it, and some don't.
I think 'Rose Red' has more rounded petals, but different conditions...and all that. Here is my 'Rose Red.' 'Rose Red' has a distinct yellow center. Look how slender and pointy the leaves are as well. The peduncle on 'Rose Red' is very red.
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WOW I went on those links above, read the other forum threads about the Virus. I am a tad blown away, just from the pictures of the leaves, how terrible. It's bad enough that I am starting to get the orange rust, it's spreading like wild fire on all my plumies, tring soo hard to control it. But with our extreme heavy rains every afternoon, it's impossible to control, it seems. It's seems real early in the year for me, for the rust to start too. It just kills those leaves over night, and what good is spraying when we have thunderstorms everyday.
But this virus is really got me thinking. I know I have some in my collections, still too early to tell though I know it has to be there and start to show at some point. Yes the flowers are like the devil in disguise, but the leaves are whats turning me off. I find it disturbing that sellers are not telling the entire story about the color break, precautions, and risks. I am just glad our collection is still new and we have not had to do any 'cutting' of sort. Glad I'm on some land so I can manage to separate them as time goes on. It's too bad Ebay don't flash a 'Warning' before you bid LOL saying ' You are buying an infected plant BLAH BLAH BLAH educate yourself on the care and risks, if you so desire to purchase this plant that will in time look like crap, and you spend your paycheck on" LOL
I am a registered nursery myself and planned on selling plumies years down the road, but your right, I can't see selling them to people that just are in the dark. I to believe its too late, the virus has spread everywhere, until the higher Plumie gods make a law of some kind and of all things not let people register a colorbreak Plumie, we are fighting a losing battle.
What I don't understand either is, to name any plant for that matter, it has to be consistant, through a few generations, right? Through cross polinating, and so forth to begin with. This virus is not consistant, AND has NOTHING to do with, or fulfill the requirements of registering a plant. I am NO expert, and really took no interest yet in whats required of naming plants. But How can they get away with naming a colorbreak??
I just dug a deep grave here, and I'm inbetween both views of the virus, IF the people have the right education. No the Plumies don't die from it, BUT it's not like you can go to the corner store and buy a bottle of something to fix it either.
I believe in time when the people are told the truth, even how the color breaks are NOT always going to show, and the leaves are just sick looking at times, the price will drop so low, that it will bring the price back up for the diehards that kept them true! Hey it's a good selling point LOL
Food for thought.....
Viruses are nothing new in plants. Many plants have been marketed that have a virus. For example, Passiflora 'Incense' was marketed and commercially distributed even though they knew that the parent plant had a virus. The leaves eventually look mottled and ugly so they came out with a new and improved Passiflora 'Incense.' A virus is also used to create variegation in some Abutilons and other plants. Plant viruses are everywhere unfortunately, and it is up to the consumer to deal with it or not.
It's easy to look into what is required to get a plant named at the Plumeria Society of America website. It has nothing to do with generations or pollination. Each seed has a specific number of chromosomes and can look like anything so seeds from the same pod parent and pollen parent and from the same pod can look different just as siblings look different from each other and their parents. Any unique seedling can be named, and that is proper. The seedling does have to bloom for three successive seasons, I believe, just to ensure consistency as you pointed out.
There is much discussion about naming a virused plant as a unique cultivar because an existing cultivar shouldn't be re-named as something else just because it has a virus. For example, 'Jeannie Moragne' shouldn't be renamed 'Princess Daniella Pia' if it is indeed 'Jeannie Moragne' with a virus.
About your rust, try Bayleton granuales. I hear that collectors in Florida are very successful with it.
I use Bayleton liquid buy it off ebay buy it recive it next day.
May I ask how you apply this bayleton, will it last in Heavy every day rain! When I mean it rains, it pours here!
Anyways, I went out today & took pics of 2 different Plumies blooming.....The leaves are the same size & shape, same red 'Flower stalks' LOL, and look at the difference. Niether are tagged, and I still have the Rose Red yet to bloom later on to compare. Now I swear these 2 different blooms, came from the same mother tree, not sure of that being possible having much different blooms in size. Both Plants are the same size too.
One last thing, I know I am full of questions but if you look at this picture, the blooms have white spots like paint splatter, no streaks, is that a virus too of some kind?
Julie
They could very well be the same cultivar. It is too hard to tell from a picture what cultivar it might be, and even a side-by-side comparison by an expert who has been studying plumerias his whole life would refuse to guess. If it were mine and I felt compelled to name it, I would call it "Miami Rose?" with a big black question mark or "Pink w/yellow center."
Small flower size can be due to several factors going on with the plant like lack of energy. The white spots (or lack of pigment) could just be an indication of a deficiency of some sort -- not serious and not a virus.
Here's a link about rust: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/573279/ If you do a search for Bayleton in the plumeria forum, you will find some threads about it, but I think you can buy it on Ebay as Dana said. Some people use the liquid, but you can also use the granules if you don't want to water your already soaked plants.
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Clare how does the granules work I spray with a pump up sparyer real pain trying to spray the underneath of the leaf. Plus that stuff really stinks you walk out side now and thats all you smell nasty! It works but maybe there is a better way.
Hi Dana, I'll let Hetty answer that since she has used them in the past and may still use them. I imagine you just add the granules to each pot like you would any slow-release fertilizer, and it gets watered in eventually when you water or when it rains.
I use two tablespoons of Bayteton for a five gallon pot. It has worked well for me. Last year when the rains started I got rust so bad it just about defoloiated all my plumerias. This year I started using it before the rains came and I have had virtually no problem so far.
If you can not find Bayleton, look for Bayer Lawn Fungus Control - it is the same thing. It is sold at Home Depot and Lowes. It is granular and is taken up by the roots. A ten pound bag costs about $10.00. It is labeled as containing 1% triadimefon. I may be off on the exact spelling, but I think it is pretty close. That is the chemical name for Bayleton. So far I have had to apply it only once.
Something that I learned in a Master Gardners class was that day lillies are a host and carrier of rust. If you have daylillies, you may want to treat them also. I do not believe you can ever get rid of rust completely. It is powdery and is carried by the wind. If you eradicate it in your yard and your neighbors have it, it will spread again.
Robert told me to spray either early morning or late in day when the cells are open. Never said any thing like this. terrible to spray. I wonder if I can mix it and pour it on the roots just doesn't seem right hate to hurt them. I'm looking at Systemic Fungicide contains Bayleton reading its instructions says spray foilage all over to the point of dripping off not going to put it in the pot also you have to have a sticker when you use this or it runs right off and doesn't work 4 oz to a gallon of water made by Southern Ag
Interesting....I use Neem oil on all my plants with anti-bacterial dish soap to get it to stick, for a bug preventer, add a little of that garden safe stuff from walmart to kill the bug if needed, works like magic BUT everyday watering and heavy rains still wash it off faster then I would like it too.
It would be interesting to know the difference of the granules soaked into the roots apposed to spraying the leaves, the granules seem like a slower method but it sounds like the first option I'm going to try anyways.
I do have a couple of pots of day Lillie's, no where near my plumies and I am on some land, but I have never seen anything like a rust on them. But that's also interesting to know. Our rust seemed to start early this year, when the rain season started, when it normaly comes in Florida's 'late fall' after the rains.
There is a seller on eBay called "Sunshinehope" who sells Bayleton in 16 oz & 32 oz bottles. She also sells a variety of other fungicides and pesticides--very reasonable prices. if you live in Florida it arrives lightening fast in the mail. Her prices are very reasonable and everything is "Buy It Now" because she has her own EBay Store.
Brad
