I have a couple doing this. Has to be red you think?
Color bleeds into leaves
This a simple white one with a weird thing going on. There is no rust on these.
And the little helper on the look out
That's a cool-looking frog.
Some reds do get the purple spots. I noticed that 'Hurricane' always gets the purple spots on its leaves.
I don't know what is happening in the first picture. That could be a sign of the colorbreak virus. The colorbreak that is associated with a virus doesn't solely show up in the flowers. It also shows up in the leaves and leaf stems.
I bought the first one last year it had very dark leaves when they started coming out came here as a large cutting if thats the case it can go down the road.
Dana, don't send it down the road just yet. It is true that dark or purple leaves can mean a red or a rainbow. Wait until Kukiat looks at the leaves and gives you his opinion on whether that streaking/marking on the leaves could mean a virus or not.
I bought a 6 tip cutting from hawaii nebels rainbow it has signs of dark red dots on the leaves its rooted now and bleeding on leaves. I wish others would post were these plants are coming from I wouldn't buy from any one that sends this stuff. I messed up and put your seeds in that pot to keep an eye on them. If it is bad will it hurt the seedlings? I don't know what I was thinking.
Hi Dana, you do have to be careful whom you buy from these days because you never know where the cuttings are coming from unless the seller tells you that they are coming from his/her healthy trees. EBay can be risky in that regard. The seedlings should have their own container, but being in the same pot won't transfer the virus unless sap is spilled on the young seedlings.
I wouldn't be too concerned about red or dark purple spots because, as I said, I've seen those on the leaves of 'Hurricane' and some other ones and talked to Brad about them, and he has seen them as well over in Florida. I doubt that the dots are a sign of the virus, but the streaking may be a different story. We'll have to wait for the resident expert, Dr. Kukiat, to let us know what he thinks.
Thanks Clare like i said I have 2 hee nebels rainbows not as much as the other but it doesn't have a whole lot of leaves on it yet
Hi Dana here are some pictures for comparison of leaves from plants I believe to have the virus. Does it look similar to what you have? I could not tell from the pictures you sent.
I have had many plants that have come from Hawaii that show signs of having a virus. These Plumerias came from "Expert Growers" and not so reputable growers. I approached(by email) one of the "expert growers" in Hawaii about the virus, and was told that it is not a virus until tested and proven to be a virus, and furthermore he doesn't know of any lab capable of testing for the plumeria mosaic virus...so until then its not a virus. The grower did offer to replace my plant...but next season...they want to wait and see if the symptoms show up again...which they may or may not. My point is if you do not want plants with a virus you better make sure of whom you are buying from. Make sure they are willing to back up all sales with refunds if a virus or other problem occurs. Steer clear of any plants labeled "Splash" or "Mosaic" Be weary of plants labeled "Chimera", it can't be proven to be a chimera, unless it tests negative for a virus. And as the "expert grower" pointed out there is no lab that test for the virus at this point in time. Also you need to be very cautious when trimming your plants...always clean your tools before moving from one tree to the next...a virus can take a few years to show itself...usually only if the plant is really stressed....so a healthy plant without symptoms could still be carrying the virus.
One more thing...not all people know they are selling virus infected plants...some people are ignorant of what the virus symptoms look like, or are in an area where the plants never get stressed enough to show the symptoms...so ask first before accusing anyone of selling you virus plants.
All my opinion..,
Davie
Bottom of new leaf with what I believe to be PMV (Plumeria Mosaic Virus) symptoms.
Top of leaf.
Different leaf
Pronounced symptoms on the left and vague symptoms on the right.
Davie
Can the plants be isolated in some way from healthy plants? Or is it best to get rid of them if enough symptoms show up?
Davie yours looks worse mine The first picture I posted you can see the dark red bleeding out on the tips of the leaves but larger area than just the tips. Its doind the same on this newly rooted nebals rainbow I took a few pic's before the storm. Back side of leaf this also was a hawain nursery.
Heres the red coming out on top of leaf this ones not bad but the leaves are very small
Right were the davesgarden words you can see it try last one
I think I'm going to stick to seeds Can't get the virus from seed as a rule I don't cut my plants. I buy cuttings but I think i'm going to pass on buying any more plants. Sad to think you pay big money for something you wanted root and wait have all that time invested and end up with something you don;t want. I wouldn't pass it on either. Thank you Davie and Clare for looking at this
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Hey Dana...Don't get discouraged...there are plenty of knowledgeable honest Sellers out there that strive to sell virus free plants. You just have to be careful of who of you purchase from.
By the way from your new pictures it does not look like your plant has a virus...in my opinion. It just look like you have a plant with very red leaves that is under some stress.
Yes, the plants can be separated...as far as anyone knows the only way to transfer the virus is mechanically. It is up to you if you want to keep them around.
Davie
Thanks, Davie!
No Problem!
Good thread, and Davie has given out some good information here.
I agree that the last two pics of Dana's are not a sign of a virus and are just the purple dots that some reds like 'Hurricane' get.
Here is an excellent web site with information about the virus: http://www.kukiatsgardens.com/PlumeriaDiseases.html Also, it isn't true that there is no way to test for the virus. Not only has Kukiat developed a way to tell if a plant has a virus that involves grafting, but others have done experiments in which the sap of a virused plant was injected into another plumeria, transferring the virus and thus the colorbreak. A chimera cannot be transferred in such a manner -- only a virus can.
The so-called expert growers are in denial and are showing their ignorance by claiming that virused plants are chimeras. They are doing a disservice to everyone by doing so. The best thing that we can do is become educated and be diligent when it comes to dealing with a virus.
Ok heres a question what is chimeras? never heard of that before. My thinking might be wrong here If the plants infected and does produce a seed pod is the seeds going to carry it along with them.
I think seeds can carry the virus as well from the parent plant, but I could be wrong about that. Chimeras are variegated plants for the most part: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(plant)
That's a little oversimplified, but here's a more thorough approach: http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/tisscult/Chimeras/chimeralec/chimeras.html
Edited to add that the Wikipedia link isn't working because Dave's seems to be removing the parenthesis after the word "plant," but you can Google the word "chimera plants" and get the same result.
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Most Mosaic Viruses can be transmitted to progeny of infected plants.
Weeding today I was checking this one out its a tri color from Japan I have owned this now for little over a year. Last year the leaves were perfect this year its changed
No stress here its been in the ground since day 1 has been fertilized and gets half day of sun. Has a few specks of rust starting. The fisrt picture I posted I moved that plant about a month ago Thought it was too wet for it so I potted it. The dark on the ends of leaves wasn't from wet its just what it was doing.
Yellow and orange This is a seedling not a cutting so it hasn't been cut on.
Hey Dana...None of those look like the virus...looks like they are getting too much or too little of something. Most likely too much of something. How often do you fertilize (with what) and water? What type of soil do you have? Also the rust does not help their apperance. Get rid of it!
Davie
Davie there is maybe 3 specks of rust its not rust doing this they were fertilized in the spring with dynamite and get plenty of rain they did fine last year same place all this time. Did you see rust on the back side of the leaf? In the last month we proably recived 6 inches of rain I haven't watered in a while no need there feet aren"t wet What your seeing is NOT RUST
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OK OK not from the rust...LOL Dana...how many of your plants look like this? Do you have anything harmful near the plants, that the rain could have drained to where this plumeria is? just thoughts....
Davie
Dana, I agree with Davie. Those are not showing signs of the virus. Lots of leaves look crappy as they get older and right before they drop. Or, as Davie said, it could be the conditions, but it's not a virus. A virus looks different.
And Davie is right! Get rid of the three specks of rust immediately because rust spreads by spores, and it will turn into 20,000 specks of rust tomorrow if not removed.
Every afternoon it rains here as soon as I get a dry afternoon I will All my others are fine you have seen the worst. i can not figure this one out the one next to it is fine . The only other thing I can think of is cat I have a few and it is in the ground.
I wouldn't worry about the leaves that don't look perfectly green. As I said, some leaves just look that way as they get older. I love my 'Teresa Wilder,' but she has the worst leaves of all my plumies! They can get ugly-looking, but the flowers more than make up for it.