a very opinionated roses for the NE thread

Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

First, there are a few things you need to know about me: I never grew a rose until 14 years ago when we bought this farm and found that there were 23 varieties of old garden roses that had been neglected and let run for 30 or 40 years. I am allergic to roses, especially the very fragrant, so I can tell you all about petal counts and colors, the thorn length and abundance, height, width, growth enthusiasm, but I'm a bit wary about sniffing them. We have transplanted upwards of a hundred roses in spring, a droughty summer, and fall and have never lost one that we've moved. I've spent the last 14 years researching the roses that were here and increasing the variety count by several. The only roses that I've lost were those that I bought from Wayside Gardens and hybrid teas, although I do have one very old tea rose that is very hardy.

This is the post from puananiloa's thread, "Help, I've been BIT:"

"About roses, my best suggestion would be old garden roses, the rugosas take care of themselves and are a definite presence in any garden. They do not suffer from black spot and laugh at most of the other pests that modern roses fall prey to. They also rebloom, albeit lightly, unlike many of the other ogrs. Gallicas are sweet, small, bloom once quite profusely, do get black spot, but will come back time and time again from even a total defoliation. Multiflora hybrids are often strong and hardy roses. I have an old one called Goldfinch aka around here as Buttercream for its butter colored buds that open to heavy cream colored blossoms. Some older hybrid roses to look for are FJ Grootendoorst, aka the Carnation Rose, in both red and pink, a rose that will bloom well into November even here in the frozen north; and La Reine Victoria, a profuse bloomer with lovely full blown cabbagy type roses. A small species rose that is totally oblivious to pests and disease is the Green Rose, funny little green flowers with dark red accents. As for modern roses, I would recommend David Austin's roses over hybrid teas. They have more staying power."

I failed to mention the Canadian bred Explorer series ( I have one that I think is William Baffin, but the jury is still out), and floribundas, which, along with the David Austin's, I have had very good luck. When I buy a rose now, I make sure it is an own root rose and that it is hardy to at least zone 4.

The first to blossom here are two very old roses, Rosa pimpinellifolia flore rubro multiplici, a rose whose name is much bigger than it is, and R. harisonii, the old garden yellow.

As promised, pictures: R pimpinellifolia etc.

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Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

Harison's rose, which, by the way, was discovered on a farm on Manhattan Island - yep, that Manhattan.

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South China, ME(Zone 5a)

Love the yellow one! My favorite color rose!

I have a rose for you Kathleen....it has no smell. I call it my useless rose. My DH bought it thinking it was a lovely red and he would plant it near the window so I could smell it. I'm still trying to get a whiff 3 years later! LOL

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Marlborough, MA(Zone 5b)

Kathleen, a question for you.
Does the color of the rose have much if anything to do with it hardyness?
I ask because I have never been able to keep any yellow roses going. They come up and bloom 1 or 2 years and then seem to die off. Red on the other hand seems to do well.
Chuck

South China, ME(Zone 5a)

I agree Chuck ,Pink Rugosa do well also.

Nantucket, MA(Zone 7a)

I would be very interested in your list of roses and more pictures. So the 'Yellow Rose of Texas' and Houston are both Manhatten transplants? Love that. I must get Harison as I see it every year at Boojum's garden and love it. Thanks, Patti

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Very nice, Kathleen. Funny to hear Manhattan 'Island'!

West Boylston, MA

Beautiful, Kathleen!

Ditto what bbrookrd said ... a list and more pics when you have some time ... also, do you have any wide angle pics of the rose garden? I'm having a hard time getting my hubby to visualize what it would look like if he handed over more lawn space (btw, what does DH stand for? ... sorry, I'm a newbie)

Nona

Marlborough, MA(Zone 5b)

Puananiloa, welcome!
DH stands for darling husband. Something I still strive for. It is a step up from "that blockhead I married."
I might have driven by your house Saturday on my way to Tower Hill with my DW.
Chuck

West Boylston, MA

Chuck,

We've only been married a few years so he is more often than not TBIM ... oops, he reads these ... honey, you ARE my DH forever and always

(Did that sound convincing??)

This past Saturday or for their plant sale? If for their plant sale, what'd you get?

Nona

Marlborough, MA(Zone 5b)

No we went this past Saturday. I'd love to go to the plant sale except for the crowds.
And to be honest, I'm 12 plants past full on my "got to have it" garden plan.
I'm sure you have discovered Golden Skep Farms by now?
Chuck

West Boylston, MA

our first visit to TH and our first plant sale we learned 2 things ... go early (we went at 9:00 even though we weren't members (yet)) and bring your own wagon.

I've not heard of Golden Skep Farms but looking it up right now.

Nona

West Boylston, MA

Oh my gosh! I know what we're going to do this weekend! And someone was just recommending day lilies to me on another thread ... I'll have to tell my neighbor too!

Thanks, Chuck!

Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

I have three varieties of yellow rose, R. harisonii, "Golden Wings" and the David Austin "Graham Thomas," all of which have been reliably hardy in my garden. "Golden Wings" has R. Spinosissima as one of its parents, the hardy Scotch briar rose. David Austin's roses are hardy here, but don't achieve the size that they do in milder climes. I think a lot of the yellows have parents that are from the less hardy zones.

Most of my roses are all on fences, like the cattle they need to be restrained. The two floribunda ("Hot Cocoa" and "Europeana") the two David Austins ("Othello" and "Graham Thomas") and the green rose are in one of my rock beds. Right now the daisies and forget-me-nots are taller than the roses, except for "Othello" who tends to be a bit of a show off. I'll see if I can get them dug out and get a picture - no blossoms yet, though.

I'll look for some pictures from past years.

South China, ME(Zone 5a)

Graham Thomas has just made it through it's first winter here....I thought for sure it was a gonner!

Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

found an old picture of the first rose fence (there are now 5) in mid-June

Oh, did I mention that a lot of these only bloom in June? I do have some reliable rebloomers among the old roses: Hansa, a rugosa, Sir Thomas Lipton, also a rugosa, the R.rugosa alba, Linda Campbell, a rugosa, La Reine Victoria, not a rugosa.




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Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

Here is R. alba "Maxima"

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Marlborough, MA(Zone 5b)

I was very exicted to see 3 buds on my Paradise rose bush this weekend.
My blood pressure hit the top this morning when I saw that one of the buds is GONE!
Squirrel, chipmunk, pink elephant, whatever. Don't let me catch you!
Chuck

Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

R. gallica "Tuscany"

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La Reine Victoria

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Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

Rosa mundi

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Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

Rosa centifolia

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Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

Rosa grootendorst

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South China, ME(Zone 5a)

They are all lovely!!

I picked up a rose on clearance for $2.50 about 2 years ago and it looks a lot like your 'Tuscany"....i'll post when it blooms.

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Very nice!

Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

Thank you - more to come.

a couple of notes: Gallicas, like "Tuscany" are 2 -3 feet high, bloom profusely in June for a good long time but do not rebloom, black spot loves them and they don't care, if left for 40 years to their own devices root-run all over the place.

Albas, like "Maxima" prefer sun, but will grow in partial shade and get to be about 6 feet tall, a lovely stately shrub rose.

La Reine Victoria is a pillar rose, which means it needs support. We found it after we tore down the old kitchen that had been left behind the house. It was lying in a mess of golden rod, foxgloves and heaven only knows what. It has taken 10 years to get it truly upright, and it still occasionally blows over.

FJ Grootendorst is a fully upright armed to the teeth with thorns shrub. It, along with the rugosas were the roses that guarded Sleeping Beauty's castle.

Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

Some new pictures
Rosa rugosa alba

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Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

R. rugosa Sir Thomas Lipton

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Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

Rosa glauca

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Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

Goldfinch, aka here as the buttercream rose. A multiflora hybrid.

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Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

the pink Grootendorst

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South China, ME(Zone 5a)

Beautiful Kathleen!

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Very nice. I don't have any rugosas. If you had to recommend just one (but not red), which would it be??

Panama, NY(Zone 5a)

I like Sir Thomas Lipton. He's a double white and so far, after about 5 years, not nearly as aggressive as Hansa. I also like my R. rugosa alba, a single white. If you like yellow, Rosa rugosa 'Yellow Dagmar Hastrup" is a lovely semi-double. I had one from Wayside Gardens that was grafted onto some rootstock that couldn't take our winters. If I had had my wits about me, I would have started a cutting, but it was gone before I thought. I sincerely doubt that anyone in their right mind would feel the need to graft a rugosa, but I have only one rose left from WG, and it is not in great shape - a single very red red rugosa named Robusta.

Lower Hudson Valley, NY(Zone 6b)

Thank you Kathleen!

Nantucket, MA(Zone 7a)

Victor, I love Sir Thomas too. Patti

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