What is the difference between an epiphyllum and a cereus?

Rockport, TX(Zone 9a)

I posted this in the wrong spot yesterday, so I'm trying again. Here's what I wrote:

I was at a nursery yesterday and they had an unidentified hanging plant that could be either a cereus or an epi. Today, I was at another nursery looking at what I was sure was a big epi and was told that it was a night blooming cereus. I bought it. Here's a pic, but how do you tell? If this is a cereus, it looks like my epis. I've seen some cereus that seemed more upright and even had spines. Is that right? Thanks for your help.

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(Zone 1)

Here's the Plant Files information for Epiphyllum oxypetalum : http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/2443/

I see that it has a synonym of Cereus

Rockport, TX(Zone 9a)

Not a bit confusing -- LOL! I hope it looks like that one. I'm sure I'll love it no matter what, but I've always wanted a Queen of the Night. Thanks for your help.

Grantsboro, NC(Zone 8b)

My cereus has flat leaves, my epi that I just got has puffy kinda leaves.
Get a close up of some of the Epi photos and look at the leaves.

Lavina

(Zone 1)

It is rather confusing. I googled and found this description on Cereus: http://www.columnar-cacti.org/cereus/

and Epiphyllym: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphyllum

I always thought cereus were desert type cacti with thorns and Epi's were rainforest/jungle type without thorns but someone told me there are Epi's with thorns.

I have this one called Ric Rac Orchid Cactus: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/62665/ but it is not an Epi, rather a Selenicereus.

Robertstown, Australia(Zone 10a)

Hi All,
Here is a little historical perspective which can explain why so many cacti plants have Cereus in their common name, even though they are not members of the genus Cereus as it is now described. Originally, when Linnean plant names were first being used in 1753, all the cacti known were lumped together in the one genus called Cactus. Fairly quickly though, as more plants were discovered, and botanists realised how varied the group of plants actually was, they started to split them up into separate genera.

Cereus was first described in 1754 and it means torch. The name was chosen to reflect the branched candlestick-like shape of the first Cereus described. This is also why they are sometimes called torch cacti. There have been over 900 species names used within the genus Cereus since 1754, but nowadays fewer than 20 are considered to be valid, and all of theses plants are of the tall spiny branching columnar type of cactus found in the desert and semi-desert areas of Central and South America.

When the first Epiphyllum plants were discovered, some botanists placed them in the genus Cereus because their large white nocturnal flowers are quite similar in appearance to the flowers of the big columnar Cereus plants. The old common names like Night Blooming Cereus and so on all date from this time. The name Epiphyllum was not coined until 1812 when it was first used for Epiphyllum phyllanthus. This particular species was, in fact, known to Linneaus himself and he called it originally Cactus phyllanthus in 1753. This was then changed to Epiphyllum phyllanthus by Haworth in 1812. This name translates roughly as "Epiphytic (Tree Dwelling) Leaf Plant with stems like leaves", which is a pretty good description of an Epi in my book! The long time gap between 1754 and 1812 (over 50 years) was quite long enough to cement the use of "Cereus" in many common names and popular horticultural books of the time.

The other thing which seems to confuse people is the presence or absence of spines. Actually Epiphyllums DO have spines, they are just very small on the mature stems, so we tend to think of them as "spineless". As some of you may know, baby epiphyllums have quite noticeable spines when they are young and do, in fact, look rather remarkably like baby Cereus seedlings! However there are many types of epiphytic (note the lower case "e") cacti which are genuinely spiny - Aporocactus, Monvillea, and Nyctocereus are just three examples.

I hope this helps sort out the confusion,

TTFN, KK.

(Zone 1)

Kaelkitty, Thank you so much for the tutorial on these plants! You really make it easy to understand!


Rockport, TX(Zone 9a)

I'm glad to know that my confusion was well-founded. I'm pretty sure my plant is an epi based on y'alls info. KK, wow, impressive info. Thanks.

Noblesville, IN(Zone 5a)

Well I learned something today. I thought mine was a cereus but it isn't according to all of the infor. here. It is an epi

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