I just got this Hoya but can't find any info on it, only an Australis- Lisa which has the variegation on the inside of the leaves.
I 'm wondering what the flowers might look like. Anyone have this one?
Thanks Jo
Australis 'Variegata' anyone heard of this one?
Nice!!
At first glance I woulda sworn it was a Peperomia.
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/13199/
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Whow! The leaves do look like that but this is a vineing plant not upright like the Peperomia.
Hi Jo...nice plant!!!
The flowers will be the same as all of the other varieties of H. australis. SAME flowers is what makes it a H. australis. Now, the flowers on different clones may be larger or smaller, but they will be exact in every other aspect. I find the variegated form grows more slowly...which is typical of all species' variegates. There is another variegated form with the cream on the inside of the leaf and the green on the margins...which is different from the 'Lisa'.
Good growing!!!!
Thanks Carol and good to see you back!
Now that it's finally warming up here my Hoya are all starting to take off and the ones from you are doing great. Jo
Here is one of my Australis Lisa's, no blooms yet!
Blessings,
Awanda
Well, both of those hoyas are gorgeous. The leaves would be enough for me to enjoy..I wouldn't even care about blooms!
I just love australis 'Lisa'....that's one that I will NEED to get eventually.
Gabi
Wow ... I LOVE variegated plants and that H. australis Lisa is really beautiful!
Ok, these eyes are old ... and, remember I'm a hoya novice - are Jo's and Awanda's plants the same? Jo's looks to have smaller leaves and is more branching whereas Awanda's looks to have larger leaves and more upright. They are both so gorgeous ... I love that variegation!
Lin while both plants are Australis', they are different spcies. I also have the variegated Australis, both are nice, but I favor Lisa more:-).
Blessings,
Awanda
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Now I'm really confused. I thought australis was the species? Jo's plant in the first photo is H. australis 'Lisa' and the plant in your photo is H. australis 'Lisa'? So are they two different cultivars? All the technical, scientific stuff confuses me so I better quit before I give myself a headache. ^_^
Anyway, I love the looks of both of y'alls plants ... would love to see pic's of the flowers when they decide to bloom!
Lin you're right, thanks..I've got so much on my mind lately, I do well to know my own name sometimes:-).
Blessings,
Awanda
LIN....Jo's plant is the variegated form of H. australis. That is the species and the 'form'. Awanda' s plant is H. australis 'Lisa' - Lisa is the name given this cultivar (as it is assumed it happened in cultivation). There is no 'nickname' for the variegated H. australis.
Awanda, LOL, I get all mixed up when it comes to family, genus, species and all that stuff! And, sometimes when I try to sort it all out in my head I get even more confused! LOL.
Thanks Carol ... I think I'm a little clearer now. Jo's plant is not H. australis 'Lisa' but just a variegated form of H. australis?
Still not real sure about what happened in cultivation of Awanda's plant that it got the name Lisa, but don't mind me! I might "get" it and then 5 minutes from now be confused again. Hmm ... maybe if I actually owned one of each plant I would learn more and understand better. ^_^ It sounds like a good idea to me anyway!
Dear Lin,
I studied botany at university and I know it is very muddling when you get all these different names thrown at you at once so here is my quick primer - I find this an easy way to remember the basic concepts.
Botany 101: Using human beings as an example to make it a little easier to remember:
-------------------- HUMAN: ---------------------------- HOYA:
Family:---------- Hominidae ------------------------- Asclepiadaceae
Genus:---------- Homo -------------------------------- Hoya
Species:------- sapiens ------------------------------ australis
Subspecies:------ n/a --------------------------------- (not sure for this particular plant - there are 6 subspecies)
Variety:------------- n/a --------------------------------- n/a
Form:--------------- n/a --------------------------------- (eg. variegated forms - there are several different ones)
Cultivar:--------- 'Fred Bloggs' ---------------------- 'Lisa'
(NB: n/a means "not applicable" and I'm sorry for the stupid lines - it is the only way I could get the two columns to line up!)
Unlike the human being 'Fred Bloggs', we can clone (take cuttings of and replicate) Hoya australis cv. 'Lisa'.
Think of it this way - there are more than 6 billion Homo sapiens on the planet. Each of us, could we be duplicated, would be a separate cultivar: 'Carol', 'Karen', 'Lin', 'Awanda' and so on. 'Lisa' got its name because a plant grower out there decided that this form of variegated Hoya australis was so nice that it deserved a name of its own under which they could propagate it and pass it along to other people.
In addition, for proper usage, genus names always start with a capital letter; species, varieties and forms start with a lower-case letter; and cultivar and hybrid plant names always have capital letters and single quotes, which makes it easy to see at a glance what you are dealing with. Oh, and one more thing, cultivars come in two kinds - those selected from within the members of a species, like the cv. 'Lisa' we have been discussing, and those derived by crossing different species eg. Hoya incrassata x finlaysonii cv. 'Jennifer'.
Just as there are many different humans, no two crosses between two species of Hoya will be identical. If you were to perform the same cross as this one, you would get a variety of results and, if you grew them out and decided that you had one which was good enough to keep and propagate, it would NOT be cv. 'Jennifer' - you would have to give it a new name altogether for the part between the single quotes, even though all the rest would remain the same.
Hope this helps, Kaelkitty
Edited to add the bit about cultivars which I had in my head but forgot to type the first time (DUH!)
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Kaelkitty, This is great, I've always been confused by all the names myself. I've always known plants by their common names or whatever was popular at the time to call them.
Lin you're not the only one confused with this name game, I'm trying to learn it but boy it is a chore.
Is there any way I can save this for quick referance besides on the forum? If I have something to refer to over and over again eventually it sticks.
Thanks for the quickie Botany lesson. Jo
Kaelkitty: THANK YOU! That does make it so much easier to understand! I am printing that out so I will have it to refer back to from time to time! I will also tag it so I will have saved here in my DG info. Great job! Thanks again for making it simple!
Jo: You can save it. Go to the top of this screen and see the little tiny yellow "folder" icon on the top right of the screen? Click on that and it will let you "tag" it to save it in a folder for your information!
Lin
Great explanation KK... i would make one addition, however, if you don't mind.
The reason it is REALLY important that capitalization is important is because it often denotes the plant as either a species or not. Actually, I believe that the single quotes (i.e. 'Lisa') take the place of the word cv. For instance: it is correct to write H. australis cv. Lisa OR H. australis 'Lisa'.
Variegated forms are simply referred to as ' .the variegated form of xxxxx' or 'H. xxxx variegated form. Some people try to sound scientific by writing H. xxxxx variegata which is not correct.
The Code was developed so that everyone could be on the same page re: term usage...and sometimes it seems petty and "Oh, who cares, i just like the plant"...but it IS necessary because often we, personally, are not the only ones involved with that particular plant. Consider the fact that ... say ....I have H. sp. DS-70 variegated form and someone offers me H. tsangii variegated form. Now..I know that H. tsangii is NOT sp. DS-70 (it is the hoya in circulation as H. odettiae) but does that other person know this? Which hoya am i going to get?
Carol
Hi Carol,
I don't mind one little bit. I learned my Code rules way back in the 1970s and I think there has been some revising of the punctuation rules and other things since then. When I first did all this stuff It was Double quotes for cultivars and it was perfectly acceptably to put f. variegata, f. monstrosa or f. cristata on a plant label as part of the Latin name. I really should get off my duff end and get a modern copy and learn it all over again. Actually, I really miss being able to write f. variegata etc as I always thought of it as a nice compact way of designating a mutated plant, but then I am only a backyard botanist, so I will have to bow to the majority.
I didn't know about the quotes being equivalent to cv. I think I like the quotes better, they give you a better visual distinction on the page or screen so each of the parts of the name is easily distinguished. I know exactly what you mean about names in general though - it is so important to try and get it right, especially if you EVER want to pass any of your plants along to another person. When I was 10 years old I joined my first plant society and I became a real "name nazi" - some people just didn't care and they made me sooo frustrated.
Of course, as a plant nut, along the way I have acquired my fair share of NOID plants - gifts, cheapies, things I couldn't resist on sight etc. but I spend a LOT of time trying to get and confirm identities. I should warn you I have 3 NOID Hoyas - two of them I think I have pinned down, but the other one is a complete mystery, (I though for a long time it was australis, but now I am doubting again) and of course it refuses to flower!. If you want to have a look at it, go here http://davesgarden.com/tools/journal/viewentry.php?rid=179492 Feel free to check out the rest of my journal as well if you want to; I am keeping most of it public as I want to use it as a teaching tool to help people with their plants.
As for as my own Hoya ambitions go I am attracted to all the ones with very dark coloured flowers, pubicalyx macgillivrayi and ciliata being my top faves, but I will probably have to keep those ambitions on hold while I am living in rental accomodation as I can only get plants which can survive outdoors 24/7 year round. On the other hand, I do live in Australia, which might well be and advantage in acquiring some nice stuff in the future - if I ever get properly settled, I will hit you up for David Liddle's contact info. I am constantly drooling over the plants I see on the forum which have come from him.
Ciao for now, KK.
Kitty...yes, looks like H. australis...and being a seedling there is always a slight "more of this, less of that'.... Carol