If you've been following my threads you know i've had some troubles with mychickens for a while now.
I now have a baby goose with blood init's poop. It's lifeless and limp but still alive,
Can geese get cocsidiosis? my chickens have it now and i'm treating them for it, and these geese are no where around the chicken area.
Can I give the geese the same sulmet that I'm giving to the chickens.? I think i'm goin g to loose this baby, bu tthe others look good so far, I want to treat them if I can.
please let mek now.
EMERGENCY Help needed!
Hi kathy-ann. Did you ever have the chicks tested for coccidiousis? It shouldn't spread between chickens and ducks. "Coccidiosis is primarily a problem with chickens and turkeys, though on rare occasions it may be found in flocks of ducks and geese....Treatment involves the use of sulfonaminides, amprolium, or other coccidiostats as prescribes by a diagnostician." "Storey's Guide to Raising Poultry." The thing is, I am almost absolutely sure that the disease in ducks and geese is caused by a different type of protozoa that that causing cocci in chickens. There are hundreds of types and they are pretty species specific. Could it be something else?
Kathy Ann I just found this information:
"Treatment. Various sulphonamide drugs and coccidiostats have been used in the treatment of renal and intestinal coccidiosis of geese. If the geese are to be fed rations which were formulated for other types of poultry, it should be noted that in spite of popular belief to the contrary, waterfowl can be fed rations containing most of the coccidiostats used for chickens. The Veterinary University of Hanover, Germany have specifically reported that the following coccidiostats found in chicken rations are tolerated by waterfowl: amprolium, amprolium-ethopabate, clopidol, clopidol-methylbenzoquate, DOT (zoalene), lasalocid monensin-sodium, narasin, nicarbazin, robenidin, salinomycin and sulfaquinoxaline. They also reported that neither halofuginone nor arprinocid are tolerated by waterfowl and that they could find no information on the effect of giving waterfowl feed containing either decoquinate or maduramicin ammonium."
on this site http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/y4359e/y4359e0g.htm
MollyD
Thanks for the help . I have also posted on the other chicken forum,
like I told them, I don't think it's anything else but cocci.
even though the geese haven't been in the same pen with the cchickens ever, i've had the same shoes on when traveling back and forth onto the ground that the geese were on. I thought it was ok , cuase I didn't think geese got cocci.
that goose is dead now.
someone posted onthe other forum, that it's in the ground , like it was there before the chickens got sick, but i've never had a case of cocci before . What else could it be, there's blood intheir poop.
I had a few tested when they were tested for AE they showed no signs of cocci at that time, but doens't mean they didn't get it later. Like silkiechick I think that's hwo said it. said, it's in the ground, dormant. I feel the chickens were already sick and had low immune systems and now they picked it up because of that.
Bad thing is, my husband says no more ever again, if they die they die, and we will NOT replace them ever. So I may be chicken less after all this,
YOu don't know how much it makes me hurt inside that all this has happened. and I haven't stopped crying over it yet.
I'm sorry this is happening to you but it's a rather extreme reaction for your husband to say if they die you can't get any more! That's like say if I get a flat tire I'll never buy another car!!! He needs to rethink this.
That page I gave you indicates that geese do get it. It also says to give them the medicated feed which is contrary to what all other sources are saying.
Here's another page on waterfowl diseases:
http://www.domestic-waterfowl.co.uk/page8.htm
this is from the Department of Agriculture of New South Wales and it too reports that geese do get cocci
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agriculture/livestock/poultry/health-disease/disease-control-for-geese
This is a Canadian Veterinary Science Journal:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1583923
Hope you can find an answer somewhere in these pages.
MollyD
He said if they die I can't buy any more. no more money spending on them that is.
I can hatch my own eggs. but someone suggested I not do that right now oranytime in the immediate future because of all that's gong on .
He is a little extreme, first thing i'd want to do is replace everybody. but he says no.
I even have a nother area I can put everybody this area hasn't had chickens/geese on it in 4 or 5 years, but its a complete pen and house.
I hope he changes his mind, I think he may just be upset, or at least I hope so.
we would have to wait a good while before buying more like ayear or so. to make sure it's safe , maybe next year he'll let me try again.
but I told someone on the other chicken forum who suggested I not blame mcmurray. but I've never had this problem with any diseases untill those mcmurray chicks came here. I've never had cocci before. i've raised chicks for years and geese and ducks. hatching them myself and selling off later. no other problem till those chicks.
maybe it was in the ground, but everybody seemed t o be immune, untill the mcmurray chicks .
I don't remmber if I answered this or not.
I did have the mcmurray chicks tested for cocci 3 weeks ago, they tested negative.
what else could blood in the poop mean, and their dropping like flies. still after 5 days of this stuff. I'll soon have none left.
they sit around all poofed up and bloody poop. poofed up kind of like when birds are cold they get puffy.
Oh We Crossed!
The thing with cocci is that it is very species specific--so I don't think the chicks and the goslings would get it at the same time because YOU spread it from the chicks to the geese. There are other diseases that you can spread, which is why I asked if you had a vet or specialist look at the chick poop (they just look under a microscope--maybe extension will do it). If it is cocci in the chicks-and bloody diarrhea could be cocci--then the gosling would have had to get it from a different source. But diarrhea is a common symptom in lots of diseases like botulism, pasturella and salmonella enteritidis, which might be spread between different species of poultry.
I know about this because I went through a lot of misery with a rescue puppy that eventually died from distemper--but also had coccidiousis. Cocci is almost always present in the environment, but rarely causes symptoms unless there is something wrong with the fowls immune system (like having had AE). Little chicks and goslings might get it if they are exposed to a large number of protozoa before their immune system has matured, but they would be getting it independently-- because the type of protozoa that infects chicks doesn't affect geese and vice versa.
I hope your flocks recover quickly and whatever is hurting you MMH chicks is not something that has spread to the goslings. I am stuggling with some sick animals right now and it is very hard when you do all you can and it is not enough.
This message was edited May 4, 2008 9:19 PM
Thanks Cat for all the help.
I lost a whole litter of pups once to distemper.
I have't had the poop tested, I'd probably have to take it down to little rock to the state vet and have it tested there.
I'll keep updating this thread about the goslings. they all seem to be fine. They drank a whole quart of medicated water. That should help.
Sure takes along time for the mediated water/feed to help them.
I'm not possitive the chicks have cocci, but they do seem to be getting better for the most part, even though i'm still loosing some of them, most have stopped the puffiness and are going back to their old selves.
When all this cools down I'll be talking to dh about replacing a few. especially the chinese white gosling.
I 'm still up inthe air about whether or not I should contact mcmurray about all this. I mean, what would they do'? LOL listen to me complain and then say sorry, I don't know if that would make me feel better.
kathy, I am so very sorry. it is so wrong when things like this happen, it really breaks my heart.
i do believe keeping those weak chicks contributed to or caused your problems. it's unlikely Murray McMurray hatchery would apologize beause that would mean accepting responsibility.
you are doing all you can to help or save them, while it is costing you so much grief & expense! i am glad you got some answers & some help, & hope you get some stool samples to the vet right away
wish i could send you a great big hug
{{{{{{{kathy}}}}}}}
you're in my prayers,
tamara