Gardenias - when to fertilize? (time and plant indicators?)

Birmingham, AL

The picture is of my new house. It was taken before I moved in. I have made lots of changes, and I'll update if y'all like. :)

It's a bad picture, but those hedges out front are gardenias. (no idea what kind!)

The hedges to the left seem happy and healthy. They're a solid green mass, and they're doing great.

On the right, you can barely see them, but there are two plants. The first one is looking pretty straggly. I discovered last week that it's because every dog in the neighborhood pees on it. Now that I have new sod and I'm obviously taking care of my garden, I have high hopes that they'll stop.

The second one looks decent...but it has a few (maybe 5% of the plant) yellow leaves with green veins.

I've done my research, and apparently this means it needs iron. But the soil around the gardenias are a rich red iron clay -- which is probably why gardenias grow so happily in my neighborhood.

So my questions are:

1. How many of these yellow green-veined leaves do I need to see before I fertilize?

2. Should I do any maintenance fertilization? Before or after they've bloomed? (They've got some lovely buds right now, but no blooms.)

3. Is there anything I can do for my poor straggler? A local garden expert gave me glorified pepper spray for it, but that's only preventative....to keep dogs away from it, not to fix whatever pH problems they may have caused.

thanks for your help :)

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Dahlonega, GA

i would love to have your house over here in georgia. i would think you could use one of those soil test kits . also ,pretty sure your plants haven't been fertilized this year ,probable not last year either. to be sure you don't overdo it ,why don't you stick with 10-10-10 for now and read the directions for the ratio.it wouldn't hurt to give them a little food now, and redo it all after they bloom.just water it in real good.keep us up to date on your progress with that beautiful home. sally

Birmingham, AL

Thanks, Digger! Since I posted, it looks like the green is coming back into my poor straggler. I may buy another gardenia just to fill things in on the right, but stick with the 10-10-10 you suggested.

Dahlonega, GA

give us pictures. everybody loves pictures. keep that fertilizer watered in . sally

Middle of, VA(Zone 7a)

horseshoe (the gardenia guru) recommended fish emulsion last year...worked wonders for mine!!

Dahlonega, GA

hi,chantell, if fish em will help , then by all means , lam ,use that, don't know if thats in addition to ,or instead of . tell us chantell, i have a coupla gardenias i was going to fertilize this year. i'v neglected them for three years now and the freeze last year pruned them back a bit , so it's time. they looked great while i was taking care of them,and look ok now, but it's time to give extra t.l.c. sally

Middle of, VA(Zone 7a)

Hopefully Shoe doesn't mind since many of his answers were in open forum and I AM giving HIM the credit since he's the guru of these babies...just figured if I kept his helpful hints he wouldn't have repeat himself every year - sweetheart that he is:

MAY 2007 – GARDENIA CARE by horseshoe

What I normally tell my customers at the Mkt is to plant them where they get a bit of sun (the more sun, the more flowers) but yet in an area where the Winter winds won't blow on them, thereby dessicating them. In the past I've heavily mulched them to protect their roots but those that were being wind-whipped it didn't really help..the winds just pulled all the moisture out of them.

If you haven't already planted I'd recommend you water them in with some fish emulsion rather than feed them the Hollytone right away. That will get them off to a good start but yet not chance any burn of new roots that will be developing soon. After 10 days or so then lightly broadcast your Hollytone on the surface of the soil and scratch it in. (There is also a "Miracle Gro for Azalea, Camellia, Rhododendron" food that is excellent for gardenias if you can't find the Hollytone.)

I wouldn't mulch right away, if you do it'll only block the sun from warming the soil and contribute to "cold feet", which is not what the newly-planted gardenias like. They need warm soil to encourage root growth as well as nutrient uptake.

As for the Epsom's salts, I use it sparingly, usually as a foliar spray to encourage flowering. However, if you are planning on using the sulphur to lower your pH plus using Epsom's directly in the soil they'll be competing with each other to do their job (Epsom's will tend to raise the pH slightly, thus my recommendation to use it more as a foliar spray, and do it when the plants are well on their way).

As for Hollytone vs Miracle Gro-etc...I've used both and have good results when using them at certain stages (and reasons).

Miracle Gro products are derived from "chemical ingredients" (and yes 'all things are chemical') but in this case I'm referring to the nutrients being offered are derived from Ammonium phosphate, Urea, Potassium phosphate, Chloride, Boric acid, etc (plus a few others). Those are readily available to the plant but don't tend to really contribute to the soil growth the plant is living in.

On the other hand, Hollytone (for acid lovers) offer its nutrients from more "natural" sources; Dehydrated manure, Feather meal, Crab meal, cocoa meal, corn gluten, cottonseed meal, dried blood, sunflower meal, kelp meal, alfalfa meal, greensand, etc. Those are sources that contribute to the life of the soil and tend to offer an ongoing/slower release nutrition. So....for me....

I used the Miracle Gro for a quick pick-me-up when plants are stressed or looking a bit sickly. The M-Gro can be applied foliarly and will immediately get to work helping the plant through stress and back to good health. I use the Hollytone for a more long-term feeding.

Lastly, remember, Miracle-Gro products have to be used every 7-14 days whereas the Hollytone is used only twice a year.

Hollytone works well without having to use the sulfur unless your soil is very alkaline, then you might want to incorporate some sulfur at planting time. However, as far as I know, more often than not alkaline soils tend to be further west than you; perhaps you might be in a special pocket that has alkaline soil?

Methinks you should pick up a pH analyzer (about $12 or so) and then you'll know. And of course, you can always incorporate sphagnum peat into your planting hole which will give you a lower pH.

I've not used Messenger and am one of those that don't see the need for it. There are quite a few threads on DG with the supposed pros and cons though.

As for ironite/adding iron to the soil or plants...if you use the Miracle Gro that has iron in it already so you should save yourself the expense of purchasing iron separately. Most soils are not iron-deficient but rather tend to bind up the availability of iron to the plant so people "short cut" it by applying liquid/chelated iron directly to the plant. Too much lime in the soil, raising the pH to a more alkaline state, will make the iron in the soil unavailable. For long term availability of iron using plenty of manure, dried blood, or compost would be your best bet.

Should you be losing your plants in the summertime then it could be due to a pH problem (they like a bit of acid pH) or could also be wet feet. They love a good bit of moisture but prefer good drainage. Not planting them too deeply will help, that way you can mound dirt/soil up and have it slope away from the main trunk, diverting water to the outer reaches.

Oh yeah, regarding sun exposure, yes, more sun more flowers USUALLY. The exception would be if you're in an extremely hot area where the plants would benefit from the shade during the hottest months of Summer. I have a gardenia on the northwest side of the house, gets very little direct sun but yet flowers like crazy most years. The only other placement I'd suggest is to put them where the Winter winds won't blow on them as it tends to dessicate them

San Diego, CA(Zone 10b)

Wow! Thank you so much for the great info! I have two potted gardenias and I am yet to figure them out. I never know if I'm watering too much or too little, etc...

Kilgore, TX(Zone 8a)

yes, thanks! I have 1 Gardenia, but didn't know what to do with it. But it's also fragrant right? I keep it on my patio in very partial sun. It seems to do fine there...so far. But info was helpful! LB

West Palm Beach, FL(Zone 10a)

Hello everyone. I have a gardenia bush that is blooming now . It is four years old and this is the best it has ever bloomed. I was wondering where do you get Hollytone as you mentioned above. I had some black mold on the leaves. Black mildew I thinik it was. I sprayed it with copper sulfite, it seemed to fix the problem. I think too much water and poor air around it caused the problem. Here is a picture of it. I have used Miracal-Grow on it . I sprayed it once this year. Maybe need to do it again. Hollytone, might be better like you said. Where is it at. Thanks. Jeanae

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Middle of, VA(Zone 7a)

I buy mine at our local Lowes/HD

Hurst, TX(Zone 7b)

Oh, Merry Christmas! Yellow leaves are one of those symptoms that can be almost anything in a gardenia. The next gardenia variety that hybridizers come up with needs to correct that somehow! Here is a list that I compiled throughout the years from articles I read in various universities: too much shade, mineral defficiency (usually iron), overwatering, poorly draining soil, soil temperature is too low, nematode damage and several diseases. On top of that, you have some gardenias like August Beauty which shed some leaves before the spring flush!

All I can suggest is to keep a fertilizing/ammendment schedule and water when the soil feels almost dry. If the plant then keeps yellowing, you know it is not a soil moisture issue or mineral defficiency. It's one of the rest... sigh

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